The coming civil war over abortion

Gods - this whole concept of fetus rights from conception opens up so many legal doors for charging women with so many crimes ...

We know that women who exercise strenuously have a 10% higher rate of miscarriage. Do we charge a woman with manslaughter if she miscarries after a day of exercise? She knew it was risky.

A woman announces on Facebook that's she pregnant. A month later she goes on vacation and has a miscarriage, but doesn't want to risk going to some third world hospital to report it. She gets back, no baby and only her word that it wasn't intentionally aborted. Or she get's back, breaks up with her boyfriend and he claims she had an intentional abortion to get back at her.

How can any miscarriage not be investigated as a possible murder? There are a number of things a woman can do to increase the likelihood of miscarriage.

This is why the Supreme Court Justices ruled in favor of ending abortion laws. They can only be enforced through draconian measures and were only ever applied to poor women who didn't have the means to simply take a "vacation". Anti-abortion laws don't work. We know that. We tried them. And with advances in travel and medicine, it's going to be even harder to enforce.

Every dime wasted on anti-abortion laws could have been used to improve hospital maternity wards and well baby clinics. We could have numerous lives of children wanted by the parents instead of paying lawyers to fight about laws that help no one and harm others. Anti-abortion laws will not stop abortions. They will simply go underground or out of state. They are a waste.

 

I miss George. He was a great philosopher.

 

That's a good point. I don't know if you have ever been a parent, but I am. My wife and I had children, and we were (now adults, unfortunately) responsible for making sure they could grow up in a safe environment, make sure they have food to eat, a roof over their heads, and to make sure we didn't leave them in a car with the windows closed on a hot day while we went shopping.

Yes, parents are legally required to make sure that they don't unnecessarily endanger the lives of their children.

Are you just now realizing that being a parent comes with certain responsibilities?

 

I'm playing as fair as you do.

Regardless, you lose.

Big deal.

As if that isn't all you've been attempting to do all along. You obviously don't take any topic seriously.

It's all a game.

Just like this whole Republican abortion thing. It's all just a political game.

Take serious topics, and turn them into games.

 

It's a game to me because, to be honest, most people are... well, I guess I suffer from the smart kid's disease. To me, dealing with most people is like dealing with a mental midget. There's so little intellectual curiosity in most people that they would anger me if I took them seriously.

I still hold out hope that there are others out there that love truth, but I have no misconceptions regarding the bell curve. The vast majority are the mental equivalent of an avocado. Delicious to eat and a required ingredient for guacamole, but there is very little chance of one popping out with a sign that reads "SAVE ME FROM THESE MORONS!!!".

 

Is there appoint in making a woman have a child she does not want against her will???What kind if childhood and upbringing will this child have to endure?Or maybe you very generous rightwing so called Christians are willing to assume full financial responsibility for all the children who will be born because you forced the issue??We all know how you right wingers love to pay taxes.We have a high percentage of millennials who have not married and still live in their childhood home not having children,will they be happy to pay for someone elses??

 

How would your rebuttal be different if we were talking about a toddler that the mother didn't want?

And how in the bloody hell does a woman have a child she didn't want? Are we talking some mother mary type of situation where she just woke up pregnant one day despite not having sex?

 

No one is getting Kavanaugh or Roberts to overturn roe v wade. Calm down

 

Well the citizenship question on the census form should prevent the counting of non citizens legally here or not toward congressional representation numbers.

 

I don’t think the will vote to over turn either. I could see them using new science and technology developments since 1973 and 1992 to say its human life at a point like heart beat or first trimester or pain threshold of the baby and say that the state interest to protect human life could kick in at one of those points and eliminate legal abortion nation wide after said point.

 

You've never read roe or Casey have you?

If you had, a close reading would reveal that the line embraced has always been "viability" which describes when you may remove the infant from the womb and it has a fair chance of survival outside the mothers physical form. At that point the states compelling interest in its future citizen override the mothers but for rape, and medical exceptions.

That has always contemplated improving technology changing the standard.

A medical exception for the mother cannot be denied though. Rape probably not either, at least up to viability. After gets dicey.

 

The problem I have with the whole rape exemption is that a woman has to go through what can be hell to claim rape. Invasive pelvic exams, really messy and public rape trials, and the public shaming that comes with them these days. And the rape VICTIM would have to go through this in order to rid herself of the rapist's fetus. It's basically putting her thru rape twice.

I don't disagree on the possibility of using viability as some sort of line, though that too can be problematic.

 

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where Zero abortions leads us.

I guess people are blind to the whole human traffic, heroin crisis going on, along with a slew of mental illness, and poverty issues that plague todays woman....I'm assuming most of these poor souls just know that it is not an environment for their offspring..Who am I as a male to dictate their universe? Yea, I placed the seed...The rest is 100% up to them.
What type of child/sociopaths do Anti-choicers wish to see roaming around raised by woman who take out their regrets on their spawn?? Id like to see that stats on adoptions, vs Aborted children.

This comes from a single father who is grateful she listened to my advise, and went through...But I chose my partner..Many woman do not have that choice.

 

And so you think the left are all morons and the right are not.

You choose to align with Trump and his supporters and white supremacists, etc.

Hilarious.

 

They won't be driven by economic imperative. They'll be driven by an overwhelming need to protect irresponsibility. Given how wedded such people are to perpetual childhood, it could actually be worse.

 

All over. The Left are crying.

 

No, because she made her choice freely (to expose herself to pregnancy). No one else chose that for her, unless she was raped.

 

Exactly.

 

Hmm, but no abortions means no abortions....What difference does it make, if she was roofied and woke up pregnant, from a friend, guest, friend of family, relative, etc.... and could swear nothing ever happened?
The main question is, why is it only men who discuss this BS?

What do woman think? Even on the conservative channels I hear woman being pro choice.

 

I'm female, a mother of three, and a Lefty.

 

The rape exception would be for post viability only, like the medical exception. Though even then it seems sort of thin on the ground. If you could've aborted the whole time why wait until post viability?
Part of the line is "ok you had more than enough notice ".
I find the whole practice abhorrant. But rights are rights. Which is one of the reasons that line is there and I'm not sorry to see it shortened by advancing technology.

 

Contraception failed.

 

Sounds like the first colonist to Australia! Proves, life, if given a chance can thrive somewhere matching their capabilities!

 

All past tense. It would seem stupidity and abortions has replaced government subsidies, easy/free contraceptives and education on how and means to avoid unwanted pregnancies!

 

Would you support Alabama's law?
Would you support it all across the nation?

I dont think the law works as intended.