abortion, rape, and guns.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by chingler, May 19, 2019.

  1. rahl

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    People have sex tens of thousands of times in their lifetime, strictly for pleasure and specifically not wanting to procreate. Actual procreation is intended at a fraction of the percent of the time. Consenting to sex, is not consenting to pregnancy.




    The two are in no way related.
     
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    No, all women. Consent to sex, does not equal consent to pregnancy.
     
  3. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    The cows have returned to the barn, and you're still just saying stuff without any attempt at putting something after the word 'because'.

    Care to take a stab at it?
     
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    of course i am. you can choose to have a gun, or not to have a gun. but don’t take away my ability to make that choice for myself. you can choose a red car, a blue car, a black car, a tan car (as if), a convertible, a coupe, a pickup, whatever you want! you can choose chicken, pork, beef, lamb, snake, tofu, whatever you want! you can choose country, rock, rap, jazz, gospel, blues, edm, flamenco, whatever you want!

    it’s nobody’s business.

    as a society, we have decided that murder, however, is not ok.

    i guess we’re still debating that definition.
     
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    chingler Banned at Members Request

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    does the little human your sex consent has created get a say in this? the one whose heart beats at 4 weeks? brain functions at 10 weeks? sucks thumb, stretches, yawns... at 10 weeks? where’s his or her consent?
     
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    Murder is a legal definition for illegal killing.

    arrrrgh!!! getting lefties to think outside the state box is... is it possible?

    You say that we have decided, but we have decided many things over the years. We once decided that blacks should be enslaved.

    Do you guys even realize that saying garbage like 'its the law that we all agreed upon, so that's the way of it' requires agreeing that all laws ever passed are equally moral?

    We're talking about ethics here, dude. We're not lawyers arguing cases in front of a state approved judge. We are supposed to be discussing why something becomes law.
     
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    You can't choose how fast you want to go, or how drunk you can be, or countless other things.

    There are endless rules and regulations and licensing and policing when it comes to cars.

    Same for food.

    There are even countless laws in regard to music.
     
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    yes. She killed her own thread on page 1.
    When saying abortion is ok under this circumstance but not under that circumstance.
    But guns are ok in every circumstance.
    Well not every, she did state training should be required. So that is gun control.
     
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    Science denier. :) Wanting/not wanting to procreate is irrelevant from an evolutionary perspective.




    That’s certainly deep thinking. But on this subject deep thought likely takes people where they don’t want to go.
     
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    wow i don’t know where to begin. you calling me a lefty? rufkm? did you even read the op? let’s start there.

    and i’m not a dude. dude.
     
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    wth is that supposed to do with anything i said??? you trying to tell me there’s a law i can’t have a snake taco and a tofu smoothie?
     
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    would you like to try misquoting me even further? i mean you’re off to s great start, but i’m sure you do better if you really try.
     
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    Would you like to see a list of all the weapons and cars that are illegal?

    Good luck making everything that's illegal...legal.
     
  16. Belch

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    I've never known a true conservative to argue in favor of the state because it's the state, so the "It's the lawwwww" rebuttal is almost always the result of a lefty who has lost the moral argument.

    That's a statist position.
     
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    I can hardly wait for your exposition of the dependency on any religion of the proposition that since a child is clearly no less human 5 minutes before birth than it is 5 minutes after, any point after conception at which one declares the unborn child devoid of the right to life is necessarily arbitrary, and thus morally indefensible.
    No, that's justifiable homicide, obviously.
    If you've received less opprobrium than is merited by your conduct, I'm pretty sure you can thank Rule 2 for that.
     
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    LMFAO "Tens of thousands" :) Just going with the lowest at 10,000 time you would have to do it once a day for 27 years. I don't know how many times a human pecker can poke before their warrantee's expire :)

    Getting jiggy with it This is the amount of sex the average person has in a year
    Most of us have likely been curious about how our own sex lives compare to other people's
     
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    Wow. Where do you live? Everyone here decides how fast to drive. Believe it or not, some even decide to drive drunk.
     
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    I live in the U.S.

    Unfortunately a lot of people don't care about the law or the over 30,000 people that are killed yearly or the millions injured, nor any of the children killed and injured.
     
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    16 million died in WW1. Upwards of 70 million died in WW2.

    Seems like your beloved state isn't exactly humane when it comes to casualties, so why bring up a few thousand now?
     
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    It's not a few thousand, it's millions.

    Regardless, I have no idea what your point is...I suppose it must be more useless sarcasm.
     
  23. Belch

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    My point is that talking of casualties isn't going to win you any brownie points with me. Its not about how many with me, but rather the principle.

    You brought up some numbers, I gave you some much larger ones, and we still have yet to find a common principle we share.
     
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    Don't worry @chingler
    A. I heard a similar argument from a friend comparing
    right to do drugs and
    right to abortion.

    Nobody could answer HIS question either:
    If women demand rights to abortion babies out of their bodies,
    why can't I demand the right to ingest drugs into mine???


    He declared all "prochoice" advocates to be hypocrites because they
    only fought for free choice for what THEY wanted, but not for what other people want to "choose."

    B. Also, I pointed out why do Democrats proclaim they are defending the
    "right to choose" when their health care mandates FORCED people
    to buy INSURANCE as "the only way to provide or pay for health care"
    or else face TAX PENALTIES for failing to comply.

    That's clearly ANTI CHOICE.

    But when I made this argument, people assumed "you'd have to buy insurance anyway
    so you are not losing any choices but this law makes it cheaper to buy what you need to anyway"

    I argued back:
    That's like Prolife people arguing that bans on abortion "aren't taking away any choices"
    because "abortion is murder and NOT a choice in the first place."

    That's when I found out people DO NOT GET how it's just as
    unconstitutional to push "right to health care" through govt to force on people against their choice of beliefs
    as it is to push "right to life" beliefs through govt against the free choice of people either!

    I was shocked to find out which people could NOT see the
    "right to health care through govt" as abridging freedom of choice
    BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY WAY AND NOT A CHOICE

    Very disturbing how these Political Beliefs work!

    The same liberals who could NOT understand why Christians believed their way
    of thinking IS the TRUTH FOR EVERYONE and NOT A CHOICE,
    now those liberals push their LGBT Beliefs as the TRUTH AND NOT A CHOICE
    and their health care beliefs through Govt as the TRUTH AND NOT A CHOICE OF BELIEFS.

    Don't worry but ACCEPT the fact that people have these beliefs
    and cannot change them. So we need to recognize this and
    make accommodations in laws where people can HAVE their beliefs for themselves
    automatically without imposing them on others. And keep this fight out of govt.
     
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    It is not a solution for rape. Even if it prevented some rapes, it would not be a solution. The OPs comparison remains fundamentally flawed and a bad argument for whatever they're actually trying to say (which is still not entirely clear).
     

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