Judge orders Trump accounting firm to hand over records to Congress

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  1. Kode

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    Are you really that challenged? I had no idea! I EXPLAINED it and you pretend it didn't get said. THE EVIDENCE AGAINST TRUMP INDICATES AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE HE MAY BE GUILTY OF THE CRIMES IN EVIDENCE. That is how American jurisprudence is suppose to operate. It's standard procedure.
     
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    No, a jury determines if a crime has been committed. The prosecution presents evidence, which is collected during the investigation.
     
  3. Paul7

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    I hope Trump fights this garbage tooth and nail. The LW just spent two years pushing a hoax, if they had any decency they'd apologize and shut up. They aren't acting in good faith.
     
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    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    So Trump's the liar, but on the question of the collusion fairy tale and whether he was spied on, your side is the liar.
     
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    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    That description fits fat Nadler perfectly.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you confirm that a crime was committed without conducting an investigation?
     
  8. FlamingLib

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    You seem to be operating under the principle that If X is investigated and not charged with a crime, then the accusation of the crime is a "fairy tale". That's fine and all, and I'm willing to grant you that Hillary Clinton quite probably was criminally negligent in handling classified info, even though she was investigated and not charged....

    And you can see where this is going. Just because Trump wasn't charged doesn't mean there wasn't a criminal conspiracy. Not with his son meeting with Russian operatives for dirt on Clinton and people destroying evidence before Mueller could see it. You certainly wouldn't be OK with that behavior if it had been Chelsea Clinton meeting with Russians for dirt on Trump.
     
  9. Paul7

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    .....by the same Deep State bad actors who attempted a soft coup.

    LOL, Mueller didn't find anything, but you and Nadler will? I only hope the current Deep State investigation is half as thorough ad Mueller's was.

    Hillary met with Ukraine to try to defeat Trump. Do you care?
     
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    Ah, I see. When Clinton isn't charged it's the Deep State. When Trump isn't charged it's because it was really a witch hunt. That's awfully convienent.

    Mueller found quite a bit actually, and documented the numerous contacts the Trump campaign had with Russians, Don Jr's meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton, Russian hacking attempts hours after Trump's "Russia, if you're listening" speech, numerous obstruction attempts, etc. He couldn't establish, beyond reasonable doubt, that a criminal conspiracy took place. That, of course, does not mean he didn't find anything or that no conspiracy took place. And on the obstruction charge, he was operating under DOJ guidelines that a sitting President can't be charged.


    Yeah, no. You're probably talking about this:

    "Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko’s probe was prompted by a Ukrainian parliamentarian's release of a tape recording purporting to quote a top law enforcement official as saying his agency leaked the Manafort financial records to help Clinton's campaign."
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-fades-ukrainian-plot-to-help-clinton-emerges

    Which bears investigating, so we'll see where this story goes. I predict nowhere.
     
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    ?

    I did?

    News to me.
     
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  13. Kode

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    Not true. If the report were to be released AND PUBLISHED, everyone would know otherwise. Your sources are the problem.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Perfectly, as in not at all.
     
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    You are conflating trump as a liar to....my side?

    The **** sort of logic is that?
     
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    When an investigation based on hearsay is launched by the Deep State in search of a crime, it is a witch hunt. It found what Trump had been saying all along, no collusion, and his campaign had been spied on. That alarms the AG, and should alarm you.

    In other words, Trump was right, and the Swamp was spectacularly wrong. Heads you win, tails I lose, is that how it goes?

    So why have an investigation? Why isn't the House impeaching?

    If the corrupt media/Democratic axis have anything to do with it, probably right. Why didn't Mueller investigate that too, while he was at it?
     
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    You're making stuff up. Those, including you, pushing the collusion fairy tale for two years, are either liars or ignorant. Apologies are in order, if the LW had any decency.
     
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    You want me to apologize for Trump publicly demanding that Russia released illegally obtained documents in order to hurt his political opponent?

    Or perhaps you would like me to apologize for Russian hackers systematically and expansively hacking multiple US election systems across the country in 2016 with a specific intent of helping Donald Trump?

    Would you like me to apologize for Don Jr.'s willingness to take a private meeting with someone claiming to represent the Russian government who had dirt on their political opponent?

    Or did you want me to apologize for all the times that Trump and his associates lied about their contacts with Russian operatives?

    Perhaps you wanted me to apologize for all the times that Trump refused to accuse Russia for their illegal activities during 2016?

    Oh I know! You want me to apologize for all the times Trump associates committed felonies by lying to the FBI.

    **** your apology **** your bullshit definition of decency.
     
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  19. Paul7

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    He had every right to get those documents after they were taken. Real journalists would do the same thing, if we had any.

    No, that wasn't your fault, or Trump's. Is that why your candidate lost?

    Wasn't that a Deep State set-up, like Papadopulous?

    Perhaps you should apologize for your boy Obama knowing about Russian interference, and not doing a damn thing about it. Or apologize for his hand in these Deep State shenanigans, which he surely knew about. As Page and Strozek texted each other, "POTUS wants to know everything we're doing."

    While you're at it, apologize for the collusion hysteria, which turned out to be a nothing-burger.
     
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    Libs did.
     
  21. AmericanNationalist

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    You didn't explain anything to me, you took Mueller's reasoning as the "only" truth. And if you're going to do that for Robert Mueller, you should do me the common courtesy of the same. There is NOTHING that stops a sealed indictment, because A: The POTUS wouldn't know about it, B: Congress wouldn't know about it(though Nadler would sure as hell try to figure out, if we use the present to analyze that hypothetical.)

    Nothing would change, except that the President would be facing a future criminal trial down the line but his temporary presidency wouldn't be affected.
     
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    The OLC guidelines, which Mueller cited and followed, say that a sitting president cannot be indicted. A sealed indictment is an indictment. Mueller said in his report that he would follow and respect the OLC guidelines. His approach, then, was to turn it over to the courts who could proceed as they would not be subject to OLC guidelines.

    I know you don't like this and want it your way, but you don't get it your way.
     
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    The report is out there, even though Barr didn't have to do that. It's over, deal with it.
     
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    The OLC Guidelines, say that primarily so as to interfere with the president's responsibilities. But if an indictment is under seal, the President(hell, person) is not technically under indictment. That's why they have sealed indictments in the first place.

    So, again, we're right back where we started. You accept Mueller's reasoning, on its face. But that reasoning is illogical when we consider what a sealed indictment actually is. I hold that he could've had Trump held under a sealed indictment and the OLC wouldn't have complained in the slightest.

    We know this because Barr testified that nothing stopped Mueller from indicting.
     
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    Yes it's over. The jig is up. Trump's financial records will be released to congress says the court. Mueller will testify before Congress and will tell you he didn't clear Trump but rather found crimes to be investigated. It will soon be obvious, and then it will be over. It's all coming together now. And all your dreams of trump getting away with his crimes and running a dictatorship will come crashing down. It's over.
     

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