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Angry Trump slams Democrats' investigations after cutting infrastructure meeting short

Discussion in 'United States' started by MrTLegal, May 22, 2019.

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought he wasn't your president.
     
    vman12, May 23, 2019
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    Would you think twice if Pence flew his son to China, on Air Force Two, who then returned with a $1.4billion contract with the Chinese government?

    What if Pence's son was a director of a company that was under investigation by the government of Ukraine? What if Pence picked up the phone and blackmailed that government into firing the investigator?

    Would you care?
     
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  3. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He'd be like "meh".
     
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  4. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    Really? Who the Flock cares about an affair that may or may not have happened 12 freaking years ago? HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY, NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP!
     
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  5. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    President Trump doesn't drink.

    Pelosi doesn't stop drinking. Her mind is gone. She's got early onset of alchohol related dementia.
     
    PatriotNews, May 23, 2019
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  6. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No.

    On the Mueller report, read all of volume 2... skip the legalese, cause it's hard to follow... Read Sections A-K

    Put on some tea or grab a brew (your choice)... it's worth your time...
     
    Egoboy, May 23, 2019
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    12 years ago? I don't think so. The coverup story blew up in 2016 and continued well into the Trump presidency. I could have sworn I saw it, even on FOX.
     
    ronv, May 23, 2019
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  8. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nobody cares about the affairs themselves, except that Trump continues to deny they happened, which I find hilarious with all we know about the payments...

    Karen McDougal was smokin' hot and Melania was probably carrying some extra baby weight... Let he who is without a Playboy Centerfold cast the first stone..
     
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    Oh. Ok. I hadn't considered that you might be trolling. Thanks for saying.
     
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    Ah that's what I thought, since McGahn isn't referenced in the actual investigation report.

    So Trump is alleged to have asked McGahn to fire Mueller.

    Please explain how McGahn could fire Mueller, and why Trump didn't ask anyone else to fire Mueller, and why Trump didn't actually fire Mueller.
     
    vman12, May 23, 2019
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  11. PatriotNews

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    Who cares? Who cares? Who cares?

    It's not illegal to sign confidentiality agreements.
    It's not illegal to sign confidentiality agreements.
    It's not illegal to sign confidentiality agreements.

    Remember your side set the standards here. President Trump is allowed to **** interns on the Oval ****ing Office desk if he wants.
     
    PatriotNews, May 23, 2019
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    And the final say? No collusion, no obstruction.
     
    Hoosier8, May 23, 2019
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  13. PatriotNews

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    It's a private sexual affair. Bill Clinton got away with it while in office. Trump was a private citizen. Therefore, nobody gives a ****!
     
    PatriotNews, May 23, 2019
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    You are like a magic freaking troll with super powers.

    :blahblah: :winner::tp::toilet:
     
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    1. McGahn was told to have Rosenstein remove Mueller, as he WAS authorized (only with cause).
    2. Because he thought McGahn was a loyal soldier who would get the job done, and Trump didn't want to contact Rosenstein directly, in an attempt to keep it in the WH.
    3. He endeavored to fire Mueller, which is the definition of OOJ... The fact that it didn't actually happen matters not.. And the probability is that this will be judged politically anyway, and not legally.

    Hard to have a discussion about the Mueller report when only one of us has read the Mueller report...
     
    Egoboy, May 23, 2019
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  16. GraspingforPeace

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    ....weren't you literally just whining about Obama's executive orders? Good grief, you guys will take any obviously hypocritical position just to "own the libs". Grow up, babies.
     
    GraspingforPeace, May 23, 2019
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    What sexual affair?? Trump denies them both...

    And nobody would have cared, if he had paid them off between the years 2006 and 2015 like he should have, and before he became a candidate for president...

    Procrastination rarely pays off...
     
    Egoboy, May 23, 2019
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    1. Oh so in this scenario McGahn was giving orders to Rosenstein.

    Is McGahn in charge of Rosenstein? Is that a chain-of-command issue?

    2. So McGahn said he wouldn't direct Rosenstein to have him fired (I mean in spite of the fact that he had no authority to), then Trump didn't tell his AAG to fire Mueller?

    3. How does one endeavor to fire Mueller when he never directed the only person who could fire him, to fire him?

    What is Trump's famous line again?

    Oh yeah. You're fired.

    You're suggesting that Trump wanted to fire Mueller, but didn't want to, and never did, instruct the AAG to fire him, nor was Mueller ever fired.

    Where is the "obstruction" again?
     
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    the mueller rept didn't say no criminal activity
     
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    I suppose we'll have to wait until McGahn is compelled to answer questions.
     
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    Did it say.....no criminal activity for any.....americans?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Will we.

    What would you like to ask the person who couldn't fire Mueller.
     
    vman12, May 23, 2019
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    You are just being obtuse. If it is big legislation like infrastructure, it needs the support of the House, the Senate and the White House. That needs negotiation between the three of them.

    But anyway, the House has been passing legislation. Over 200 bills since January. But for the most part, the Senate won't take them up.
     
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    The intern thing is okay.
    But violating campaign finance law to coverup an affair is a felony.
     
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  25. Egoboy

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    Section 1503 offers broad protection to the “due administration of justice” by stating that a person who “corruptly or by threats of force, or by threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice” is guilty of the crime of obstruction of justice.

    Telling McGahn to have Rosenstein fire Mueller without cause is endeavoring to obstruct and impede the due administration of justice...

    You don't have to believe me... I'm not a lawyer.... How about the (now) 947 former federal prosecutors?? This is the first example in their statement.

    SNIP
    Attempts to fire Mueller and then create false evidence

    Despite being advised by then-White House Counsel Don McGahn that he could face legal jeopardy for doing so, Trump directed McGahn on multiple occasions to fire Mueller or to gin up false conflicts of interest as a pretext for getting rid of the Special Counsel. When these acts began to come into public view, Trump made “repeated efforts to have McGahn deny the story” — going so far as to tell McGahn to write a letter “for our files” falsely denying that Trump had directed Mueller’s termination.
    ENDSNIP

    https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

    And again, it not even how this plays legally... it's how it plays to Congress and the public... .. and it doesn't play well...
     
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