New US charges against Julian Assange could spell decades behind bars

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  1. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    First amendment does not protect you in this situation
     
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    That is an opinion, not a lie. Nothing careful or orchestraded about Trump. He just blurts out whatever is on his mond.

    Give me a break.
     
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    The first amendment always applies but not foreigners on foreign soil. Some say Assange was a hero for exposing some of the foibles of US federal government. Others say he is criminal for publishing confidential information. I think both positions are true but US law doesn't extend to foreigners in doing what they do in foreign countries in my view. The real case is against the US leakers. They didn't even seem to worry about that.
     
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    It appears that we are headed in that direction with the "very special genius" at the helm, yes?
     
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    The shithole country I live in is the US, and Judges do not get involved in the process until charges have been filed by ELECTED officials. Assange has not committed any crimes, he exposed the government and the military committing war crimes.
    When it becomes illegal to expose the crimes of government then we are truly a 3rd world tyranny.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great spin there. Blame Trump for condemning our lack of journalism in the media, and spin it to make it the same thing as the arrest of a real investigative journalist like Assange.

    Our MSM is controlled by 6 corporations which follow the same liberal policies of Soros and the deep state, otherwise they wouldn't be so adamantly against Trump. Should anyone dare write anything that doesn't conform to their policies, it would be the end of their career. Journalists in our country have been reduced to stenographers through economic necessity.

    It's this lack of journalism in the MSM and the control they have over people's minds that Trump is condemning. What's going on with Assange is a perfect example of what happens to anyone with the courage to go against the government policies of the deep state and who doesn't tow the line.

    The thing I find most disturbing is that Assange is not an American, and reports our actions in the light of a foreign observer. This should be his right and the right of everyone in a free world We have no more right to arrest him, then China would have in chasing after an arresting an American who reveals their policies.
     
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    Sounds like he was assisting in the theft. Doesn’t sound like he just received and published

    Not when your part of the stealing classified documents.
     
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    Investigative journalism arguably does not cover Assange's involvement in cyber crime, however. Investigative journalism does not exempt the journalist from the law.

    You don't sound at all objective about this, unfortunately. You have your mind thoroughly made up in Assange's favor.
     
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    Not-so-great spin there. Trump attacks the media for telling truths he doesn't want told, not for a lack of journalism. He attacks journalism and praises pro-Trump propaganda (Fox and friends). And Assange is arguably not an investigative journalist. Encouraging others to obtain classified documents illegally and irresponsibly publishing them without redactions, without concern for collateral damage that comes with that publication, is already beyond the scope of investigative journalism.
     
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    Yet it's all of the violent leftists that have been so up in arms about Wikileaks. And there are about 1000 threads here with those same violent leftists using "faux news" for any news they dont like. And finally, your last president was wire tapping and threatening journalists with prosecution for reporting news he didnt like. But yes. Let's do with Trump being the fascist. It helps absolve you of your own crimes.
     
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    Project much?
     
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    Neither does it exempt the government whose crimes got exposed.
    The entire war the US government held against Iraq was one massive lie. From starting it with made up evidence to killing reporters on the ground. One massive lie. 100.000's of people died because of that. Nobody in the US is being held responsible for it.

    People get executed for lesser crimes.
     
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    Soros is not the boogeyman the right made him out to be, the deep state is being created by Trump, and the MSM is centrist, -which looks "extreme left" to any extreme rightie (Trump supporters).
     
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    By saying the MSM is centrist you mean that all the MSM projections are the same - which is exactly what I noticed and why I refuse to read any of them. I want Journalists to be journalists and to be honest in their presentation whether they are left leaning or right leaning. I despise manipulation.

    As for Soros, he's an ideologue and wants to forward a one world liberal government much like the Soviet Union and has an intense animosity towards Christianity. His Open Society Foundation specializes in regime changes and chaos, but nations have wised up to him thank God, and his NGO's are banned in many countries.
     
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    Freedom of the Press?

    How is Assange publishing documents given to him by a leaker any different than the Washington Post or New York Times doing the exact same thing?
     
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    Instead of concerning yourself with the collateral damage of a few agents. how about concerning yourself about the tens of thousands of people that have been killed because of our policies. Policies that Assange would like to stop.

    And since when encouraging others to give out information is a crime? Are you saying that if I get information from you - which is what every investigative journalist does, that I committed a crime? Does this extend to all informative sources, including this forum, or only towards individuals that go against our governments policies?

    Don't you see the hypocrisy in this?
     
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    Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame is in no doubt that this is against the First Amendment, against Freedom of the Press and something anyone who has any interest in the US remaining a Democratic Republic should be fighting against.

    With respect to him being a Journalist, he states that even the New York Times admits that what Assange does is what they do - and, as I was thinking earlier that if they are able to get a conviction on Assange, then they will be able to got after other papers. He then goes on to remind us that Trump calls the Press the 'enemy of the people'. So did Stalen. Now as Ellsberg sees it war has been declared on 'the enemy of the people' or rather journalists.

    He believes these charges are against the Constitution and it is an impeachable offence to bring these blatantly unconstitutional charges against someone. I will remind you that earlier in this thread I put in a clip of Bolton some years ago saying he did not believe those in power needed to follow the constitution and that he felt it was appropriate for the US to go against Foreign Press in a manner which would not be tolerated against the US Press. What Ellsberg is saying, is Assange first, then when the president is set, the American Press and that this is unconstitutional and unacceptable. He also points out that in 2010 they were unable to come up with a single incident where releasing this information harmed anyone.

     
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    Since "giving out information" in this case involves committing a crime.
     
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    Because they are accusing him of helping the leaker steal them. Not just receive them.
     
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    Hmm. We'll see what evidence emerges. I would be surprised if he was actually dumb enough to do that, especially since he has stated from the beginning of WikiLeaks that he is careful not to.

    Besides, it's not like it's below our government to manufacture bogus bullshit charges with supporting evidence to take down political rivals, or anything.
     
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    It would be a sin if Assange (who just published the classified info like any journalist would) gets more time than Bradley Manning (who actually leaked it. And was responsible for it)
     
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    In what world does a man who wasn't even there, but "helped someone steal something" (whatever that means), gets more time than the person who was doing the actual stealing and leaking?
     
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    Soros is ABSOLUTELY the boogeyman, people need to wise up to what his money has done to countries around the world. His push to fix South Africa has pushed it down a path of destruction, millions WILL DIE because of SOROS for decades to come.

    His pro democracy movement is backfiring, all he's achieved is turn functional countries into corrupt, inept and mismanaged failures that will continue to cause the death of millions for decades.

    Too much change, too fast. He opened the door to failure, death, disease and destruction.

    TACKLING THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY, PROMOTING RULE OF LAW AND FIGHTING CORRUPTION
    https://www.transparency.org/news/f...promoting_rule_of_law_and_fighting_corruption


    Democracy was the most successful political idea of the 20th century. Why has it run into trouble, and what can be done to revive it?
    https://www.economist.com/news/essa...ury-why-has-it-run-trouble-and-what-can-be-do
     
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    But you can't blame Assange for not wanting to wait to see how it plays out in the legal system.

    The concerning thing about this is that it seems to set a precedent that individuals do not have free speech rights if it involves information that the government has classified.
    Not to mention going after foreign citizens of other countries and seeking to have them extradited for a crime that was committed in a foreign country.
    This whole case is problematic and concerning for a variety of reasons.

    We also see how a single crime can carry multiple charges and end up meaning potential life in prison,
    a separate issue dealt with in this thread: the problem with multiple different charges for the same criminal act
     
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    Which is not the least bit surprising.

    Day by day, all the suspicions of Assange supporters are being confirmed.

    You'll remember when this whole thing first started there were many saying the US was never going to file any charges and Assange was just being paranoid, or that he was trying to make up an excuse to avoid facing the consequences in Sweden.
     
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