White House Launches Site Where You Can Report Anti-Conservative Bias from Tech Giants

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should ISP’s be required to serve and be fair to all viewpoints in order to exist?

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  1. AltLightPride

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    Individual companies have the right to restrict speech or associate with who they want. But the ENTIRE market in one field (eg hosts, registrars and botcoin companies) working together to stifle a competitor like Gab because it doesn't follow their cartel's rule falls under antitrust laws, and is illegal.

    Stop acting like your side favors free market. It's the exact contrary. Antitrust laws were made to *defend* free market from the monopolistic grasping you support.
     
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    Is this forum considered a tech giant?
     
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    There aren't all in 1 field.
    Are suggesting a host has to allow hate filled companies on their servers?
    What if that means all not hate filled companies decided to not do business with them because of the hate filled company they allowed? They'd go out of business.
    Are you saying the RW can't have a host company, a money exchange company?

    It seems the RW couldn't exist if it wasn't for liberals.
    How did they ever get this far in life?
    And why do they whine so much? What happened to being responsible for actions?
     
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    Exactly, taken as a group, they have the monopoly of several different fields. Which makes them even more of a trust.

    Individually, no. But if 99% of the market bands together to enforce the exact same rule, and colludes to stifle the competition that doesn't, then their actions are illegal.

    More backlash from the trust in response to their collective power being challenged. This would, of course, also be forbidden by the same antitrust law.

    If they made one their website would be taken down by the trust, just like Gab's was. And their bank would shut down their account.

    It's basically circular logic at that point. There is no fair competition there either.

    The whole point of the dictator with all his ill-gotten totalitarian power is that nobody needs him. He just acts like they do.

    We're holding *you* libs responsible for *your* actions.
     
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    Ah, the transmission wires, the servers, the offices, the software, and on, and on, and on. They own whatever they own, including their right to decide who gets to use their bandwidth at the price their offering according to what internet product you want. They owned the bandwidth, just like broadcast radio and television own their airwaves--spare me the FFC bs. It is nothing but a bunch of soulless rats telling you what you can create, who you can sell it to, which manner it must operate, and who you must sell it to--despite the petty tyrants who ignore property rights and use their dictatorial power to decide who gets what, when, why, and for how much.

    In a free society, which we aren't, the free are at liberty to provide, broadcast, podcast, youtube, or buy, sell and control whatever they wish. Has the world lost the meaning of "mine", "property rights", and "liberty"?

    Furthermore, a license is just a bureaucrat stamping a paper giving you permission to live. That's just sick. Personally, if I owned an ISP, I'd close down; and if I had the power, I send you all to hell all with nothing but a thimble of water between, not belonging to anyone, but everyone, and laugh as you tear yourselves apart for eternity.

    We need a license to cut toenails, but not to write the software that keeps patients alive in hospitals, or planes flying in the sky, or military operations to defend or liberty.

    May the FCC rot, as well as the intellectual thugs that work there; no honest man would.
     
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    I'm sorry, I have to live. I need to puke.
     
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    Want a dictatorship, make private life impossible by taking public ownership of the exchange of ideas. You will get hate speech, equal access for all among the protected collective of the moment, and the deafening silence of dissent.
     
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    Trumps is wrong on every economic, social, technological, and international policy position he takes. He is the emperor with no clothes, the rotten SOB. If he had a brain, and moral decency, and honor, honesty, or courage, he'd resign and apologize. A real pity for liberty that he won't.
     
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    I don’t favor government doing anything directly other than repealing the
    Trump is right on every one of those issues. He’s a great American President who meant what he said and tries to live up to all his campaign promises. He’s a great man who protects our economic and political freedom and our religious liberty. He’s done a great job and I have every intention now to vote for his re-election.
     
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    You guys liked this post because you thought it was serious and chimed with your existing beliefs. That's how easily propaganda works.

    You're as free to write and say anything as anyone else. Conservative, Muslim, hippy, neo nazi.
     
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    There are a lot of sites where a lot of conservative and Christian sites are content controlled or banned based on their own policies or that of third party gate keepers who act as so called community standards to keep sites that agree with me on matters of politics, economics, religion, science off of their site. I’m just glad that anything that isn’t direct flame bait from a genuinely racist, extremist, or hate site is allowed here and that moderation is fair and balanced here.
     
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    Conservatives are not whining -- they are building Free Speech Media and working endlessly to restore their digital audience.

    Conservatives are also using their First Amendment Rights to support President Trump in making a case against Social Media Giants. Whatever Liberals claim about the President and whatever faults he really has, Conservatives have a right to support his initiatives on every available media.
     
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    That's where we disagree. Trump has very many faults. But given that Liberals want to impose complete censorship on the Internet, he is the better alternative.

    Even if he did overstep the bounds of his power, it is not our legal duty to "oppose" him. We have a First Amendment Right to support his effort to Make Internet Free Again. We still have free media to express our support for him.
     
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    Your bogey man, the Big Bad "Liberals" don't want to "censor the internet".

    That entire False Narrative is RW Tinfoil Hat Stuff.

    Facebook, Twitter, Etc. just wants to make sure that MORONS like Alex Jones, Milo, Et.al (who nobody takes seriously) aren't wasting bandwidth their platforms.
     
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    Really?
    Does the left have support on faux tv or RW talk radio? LOL.
    Why does a private company have to cowtow to RW BS or alt right hate groups?
     
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    Liberals don't control the internet.
    It's open for anyone or company to use. If they do it legally.
    Any person or company can create a host, a domain, a business model, or even an internet exchange of currency.

    Internet free again? Who made it not free?
    And don't say liberals. Liberals are people.
     
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    I guess we have to settle on a compromise however long President Trump will be in power.

    Liberal Companies will use their right to ban whomever they choose.

    Most Conservatives will use their First Amendment rights to express their support for any presidential action against Social Media Giants. Most Conservatives will use their First Amendment Rights to support anyone who files any suit against Social Media.
     
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    I respectfully disagree. I can not elaborate on the issue else I risk a ban.
     
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    Do you mean the First Amendment?
     
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    1A applies to the gov't. Not private people or business.
     
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    I know, there was a thread that claimed the Chicago Cubs organization is the liberal left.
    It's ridiculous how everything is the left.

    Corporation is person?
     
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    I agree. So far these companies do have a right to ban whoever they choose.

    Conservatives still have many new and old online spaces. They have a right (on spaces where they have access) to support President Trump in any suit or action he takes with respect to these companies.

    Only time will tell if there will be space for those who disagree with The Left to express their opinion in five or ten years.
     
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    AFAIK, no one has been booted simply for being a tRUMPer.
    But for extreme radicalism or inciting hate.
     
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    I am not a legal expert. I do not know which legal options are possible. Can anti-monopoly laws be used to sue Social Media Giants? If these giants exercise Political Bias, then possibly laws pertaining to publishers could be used -- for instance it may become possible to sue these giants for every libel published on their platform. I do not know.

    What I do know is that Conservatives must use their First Amendment Rights to support every initiative against these Social Media Giants.
     

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