Which might be a good thing, as it would be a ballot box type and remove the Republican advantage they now hold in state legislatures and governorships. I doubt they'd get it back anytime soon either.
There is no abortion clause in the Constitution, if there were we would not be having these discussions. It was implemented the way it was because there was no way in hell an amendment could have passed and been ratified. If you are right about the numbers then maybe it's time to get it tossed and redone right to end the point of contention? Are you confident in your numbers?
Abortion was LEGAL when the nation was founded so it was PROTECTED by the 9th amendment in the BoR just as voting rights were not explicitly stipulated but were covered and protected by the 9th amendment.
It was judged to be legal because the SCOTUS ruled it was under the 9th. The SCOTUS can change that ruling and it would be illegal again. I don't think Opium was illegal back then either but society passes laws to protect itself sort of like a big HOA.
The extremist rightwing War on Drugs has been a MASSIVE FAILURE! The extremist rightwing War on Women will be just as much of a massive failure!
You need to take an open, concentrated look at how the Pro-Life anti-abortion laws will & are already affecting the women who are pregnant. Some of the new laws want to make criminals of them, &/or their doctors. The focus is so totally on the rights of the unborn, unviable fetus, that everyone else's rights are being systematically trampled. Making criminals out of ordinary women & doctors is a morbid demonstration of how extreme & off balance the Pro-Lifer side has become. I'm encouraged by the swift rise in the polls of public sentiment against them. They have become their own worst enemies. Good.
"the "Pro-Life" group is myopically "Pro-Fetus," but completely oblivious to the rights of American citizens--especially women--already born."
Just look at the latest state anti-abortion laws passed in GA, LA, MO & AL--especially AL, which makes an abortion a crime, punishable by imprisonment for the pregnant woman &/or her doctor. When you consider that some of those women who seek abortions are already mothers & wives, these laws are saying only the rights of the unborn & unviable fetus are important, & it's OK to tear a woman who's already a mother & wife from her family & send her to prison for 10 years if she gets an abortion. That's giving absolutely NO recognition to the rights of the woman or her family, at all. Additionally, the laws criminalize the doctors as well & dictate long prison terms for those doctors--most of whom are husbands & fathers in their own right. So their rights as Americans are ignored as well, plus the state tears their families apart, inflicting hardship & pain onto their family members for the rest of their lives, all in the name of HALLOWED FETAL RIGHTS. My claim in my post is real, and the threat to families & society from the Pro-Life extremists is equally real. I can't think of a more UN-AMERICAN group anywhere in America. Nothing they stand for complies with the ideals of personal freedom & keeping government out of people's lives that conservatives say they stand for. Such hypocrisy! I'm so glad to see evidence growing that Americans everywhere are waking up to this internal threat & rapidly shifting their support to the Pro-Choice side on a massive scale.
How does this support your claim that the "'Pro-Life' group" is "completely oblivious" to the rights of American citizens?
I responded to post 587 in post 588. I'll ask again: How does this support your claim that the "'Pro-Life' group" is "completely oblivious" to the rights of American citizens?
Because some women hate their babies so much they will kill them even if it means they could go to prison?
Except for the “hating babies” 2. Failures seen world wide in Legislation 1). Legislation itself allows for “health” of the woman in which case you might as well mot have it 2) women will go elsewhere and when you answer the question “what would drive a woman to lie on a filthy blood stained table while someone attacks her with a metal instrument” then you will truly understand that the only effective way of reducing abortion is long acting reliable contraception
Those hellbent on their politicians seizing control of the womb from the instant of conception rather than respect the woman to make her personal decision in consultation with her medical and spiritual advisers, trusted friends and family, also ignore the traditional Christian belief. Pope Innocent III stated, “the soul enters the body of the fetus at the time of ‘quickening’ – when the woman first feels the movement of the fetus.” Both pre-eminent Christian scholars St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas cited the point of quickening as the moment at which the life in the womb becomes human, meaning ensouled with a rational human soul. 1 Corinthians 15:45 references the quickening, the spiritual entity coming into existence after its physical host. The quickening, before the refinement of the science of human development, approximated the point of viability under Roe v Wade. Thomas Jefferson referred to the “quickening” in his Notes on the State of Virginia when referencing how Native American women would eat certain plants to either prevent pregnancy or perform a natural abortion before quickening occurred stating, “child-bearing becomes extremely inconvenient to them." Meanwhile, those who would insist that a person appears instantaneously, at the moment of conception are clinging to a discredited theory to justify their State abrogation of womb control. In sixteenth-century alchemy, the "homunculus" notion referred to the instant creation of a miniature, fully formed human at the moment of impregnation. Of course, it is not a teeny-weeny person; it is a mindless, microscopic amalgam of cells that has the potential of becoming a person in the process of gestation - at 24-28 weeks of development.
Should Row vs. Wade be Overturned? * No, don't overturn Roe vs. Wade. 43 vote(s) 58.1% Yes, Roe vs. Wade needs to be overturned. 18 vote(s) 24.3% I don't care one way or the other. 13 vote(s) 17.6% Looks like the polls stay pretty much the same as they always have
