Stagnation, in Physics?

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  1. garyd

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    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...hysics-is-not-normal?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    The gist of it is that current methodologies don't seem to be taking us anywhere beyond where we already are either experimentally or in theory. LHC seems to have found nothing not explainable by current theories.

    Is the woman in question a crank or does she have a point or maybe it's six of one and half a dozen of the other?
     
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    This is reprinted from Nautilus, whatever that is, and there's indication if the writer has any science training, so best ignored I suppose.
     
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    As with most critical opinions on the sciences, expectations play the major roll and as we all know from experience expectation lead to disappointment. My problem with that has been that ALL expectation are subjective self induced disappointment machines generally remedied by time and patience. Advances often happen with no warning and physics is particularly prone to this.
     
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    So sort of like punctuated equilibrium as applied to physic research...
    Does make sense after a fashion and in regard to a lot of other theoretical and experimental science as well.
     
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    Dude its is an article about a book written by a woman whose worked in theoretical physicist at the Frankfurt institute for more than a decade, I posted a similar article by another physicist here about six months back. There are growing complaints that we are getting nowhere fast these days in spite of far more people working in the field than ever before.
     
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    Got to sell the book, then.

    Bitching about it won't help. Maybe she should try to move the work forward.
     
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    This isn't new. Physicists were talking about this fifteen years ago. Some have prophesied that the next great discovery will be made by a computer. The idea of plowing through pages and pages of math calculations looking for a diamond in the rough, is from times past. A computer can randomly search for mathematical relationships a billion times faster.

    But this assumes that we have all of the pieces. I have long felt that the next big advance will require a quantum leap beyond the quantum world. Perhaps a moment of divine inspiration, perhaps some anomaly observed in a lab, perhaps some cosmic event will inspire great minds, but I don't think we have the critical piece. So until it emerges, we are left poking around in the dark looking for answers.

    It has only been 100 years since QM and GR came into existence. Physics progresses painfully slowly. Einstein didn't come along until Newton had been dead for 200 years.
     
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    I wouldn't at all be surprised to find that she went into physics thinking we were about to wrap things up!

    Silly girl!!! :D I remember when mainstream physicists often expressed the idea that we are almost done. Many thought the standard model would lead to the final equation. Then we discovered that we had missed about 90% of the universe - dark matter and dark energy. Whoops!
     
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    I also suspect that the key insights of late are those relating to information. The resolution of the Maxwell's Demon paradox seems to me to be the sneaker. You don't see a bunch of fanfare about it. But it is fundamental. It lies at the very core of existence. That's why the paradox remained unresolved for 150 years.

    Energy is just a manifestation of information; in the same sense that mass is just a manifestation of energy. That is I believe the key to moving forward.
     
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    She is her complaint is that no one is listening.
     
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    An interesting conjecture. Where it leads could be interesting. Maybe we are just manifestations in an exceedingly complex computer program?
     
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    See the Simulation Hypothesis
    https://www.simulation-argument.com/



    It is an active line of debate. And it turns out that many of the seemingly mystical qualities of QM are consistent with peer-to-peer communications. Some of the ideas are intriguing!

    The paper that started it all argues that it is far more likely that we live in a simulation, than we don't,
     
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    BTW, that isn't my conjecture. That is the resolution of the Maxwell's Demon paradox - the information needed for the demon to make the decision, accounts for the energy discrepancy. Because information can be equated to energy, there is no second-law violation.
     
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    Oh yes, James Gates, the man to the right of the podium, is a physicist who discovered that the same equations used for error correction in the computer world. are buried deep in equations from M-Theory (String Theory)
     
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    https://physicsworld.com/a/information-converted-to-energy/
     
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    The energy per bit goes as a proportion of kTLn2
    k = Boltzmann constant
    T = absolute Temp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer's_principle
     
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    I (Information) = E/kTLn2
    E = MC^2

    :)
     
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    I suspect if mass is seen as equivalent to potential gravitational energy, that suddenly a unifying connection will be seen between gravity, the bending of space-time, and quantum theory, and that it will eventually solve many other current mysteries as well.

    For example, annihilation between matter and anti-matter may release less energy if both those particles had prior fallen into a gravitational well (let's say vicinity of a black hole) and already released 90% of their mass into the form of energy.
    One could see how this could eventually result in a better understanding of the symmetry between matter and anti-matter, if under some theoretical gravitational conditions the two become essentially identical (a neutron and anti-neutron, for instance)
     
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    You are about a century behind the times
     
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    Just for grins, how many bits of information are the equivalent of 1 kilogram of mass?

    I = number of bits = MC^2/kTLn2 = 1 Kg x (2.995 x 10^8 / [(1.38 x 10^-23) x 293.15 x 0.693] = 0.032 x 10^39

    or 3.2 x 10^37 or 32 trillion-trillion-trillion bits, or about 4000 x C^4

    ...at room temperature.
     
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    I forgot to add the best part. Since that was per Kilogram

    The number of bits I = 4000MC^4 = 4000EC^2
     
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    Maybe the advancements are no longer making it to the public domain. DARPA and the like suck up the best of the minds and cloister them away. As the elite establishment grows more worried about more humans increasingly difficult to control, it stands to reason they would more closely guard their researchers' and developers' advancements.
     
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    still discovering new stuff

    "Mind-blowing news: New Large Hadron Collider discovery could 'BREAK ALL KNOWN SCIENCE'"

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/scie...ge-hadron-collider-quantum-latest-discoveries

    https://www.sciencealert.com/cern-c...g-potential-discovery-of-new-unknown-particle

    "When these particle showers produced pairs of muons (a type of elementary particle that is similar to an electron but with a much higher mass), the team sat up and paid attention. But what they traced these pairs back to was, to be very scientific about it, mega weird."
     
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    Von Jolly, the mentor of Max Plank once told him to go into another line of science ""in this field, almost everything is already discovered, and all that remains is to fill a few unimportant holes".

    That was in the 1870's. Seems the concept of stagnation has been around for some time.

    The arrogance of contemporary ignorance on full display.
     
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    She is. The article provides a brief description of her work in physics.
     

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