I’m a neocon!

Tell that to the Patriot Act.

 

Plenty of the Neocons in the Political Establishment are Blue. Plenty of those who dislike Neocons are on the right - veterans in particular and libertarians.

Since when did not not have a strong military and up to date nuclear forces (lack the ability to wipe Russia off the map many times over) ? This is not what being a neocon is about. Being a neocon is about wanting to wage war and unabashedly supporting the military industrial complex.

 

Yes, the richest man in the world didn’t benefit a cent by the tax decreases — it was all passed on to the consumer. Do you even hear yourself?

Did he start a trade war and are now giving the agricultural industry a bailout? Oh no, that’s trump.

Its freedom to have bodily autonomy or not.

Corrected that for you, I also didn’t realize you were appointed king of the conservatives and speak for each of them. Good to know.

 

That doesn't describe neoconservativism at all. Ironically the "everyone I don't like is just like each other" type thinking you are displaying here is a type of anti-intellectualism.

In that respect neoconservatives are pretty much the opposite of fascists.

Right, which is why paleo-cons, Trad-cons, reactionaries, etc don't consider Neocons to be real conservatives, but rather a type of dissident liberal who have hijacked establishment conservatism. Necons in general embrace the modern age, and in fact want to spread "democratisation, secularisation and internationalism". Look I don't agree with Neoconservativism either, but let us not pretend it is the same as fascism. In the USA Neoconservatism is the element of the Republican Party that fascists hate the most.

 

Gee, I wonder why people don't like those who want to turn the military industrial complex up to 11? How is paradoxically spreading "democracy" by forcing regime changes whether the populous wants it or not working out?

 

And then there is the fact that actual conservatives are for small government, while neocons are for Big Brother.

 

You are wrong.
Neoconservativism is not about war, but about taking advantage of our power regardless of somebody’s worldview.
Might make it right, pretty much Russian strategy of today. The US is like 30 years behind on this now. We should become much more assertive with our abilities.

 

Unfortunately, the same attitude informs their domestic policy as well, so they rule their own people in Orwellian fashion. And feel justified in doing so, because "might makes right". I am not masochistic enough to want to live under that amoral Machiavellian worldview again. The US should NOT be run like Russia.

 

Higher taxes pass to we consumers.
Trade war? Are you a best pal to China? Same thing happens to the rich declaring war on them and forcing them to pay high taxes.

Corrected nothing. Men and women needed the contract I voted for. And they got it. And the CA supreme Court said it was correct.

As you were appointed to mouth off for all Democrats. So sure.

 

How would you pay for medicare for all and free education for all? How do you define "late term" abortion?

 

But not lower taxes — those pass to ‘not we’ billionaires.

What? Answer the damn question, you aren’t a politician — no need to dance around responses

Marriage equality isn’t a special right. It an equal one.

Nope — and it’s not mouthing off to point out flaws in your... I guess you could call that an argument — what are you, 80?

It’s nice to meet you Lord Con. Your congregation has left the reservation, you might want to go round them up.

 

Nobody works to conserve the status quo, even the most conservative among us want change. Just in a direction others find disagreeable.

 

Medicare for all could be paid for by allowing the federal government to negotiate drug and medical prices plus a small tax on speculative stock trades (which would also make the stock market more stable). Education for all is already a case at many community colleges — now all we have to do is get the government to exit insuring college loans and the problem will solve itself.

A late termination of pregnancy often refers to an induced ending of pregnancy after the 20th week of gestation, i.e. after a fetal age (time since conception) of about 16 to 18 weeks. During this period the fetus has almost a 0% viability rate. Very few abortions are performed after this period, with the vast majority occurring during the first 10 weeks when the fetus is smaller than a strawberry. I would post a picture but mods may remove it for being graphic.

 

Why speculative stock trades?

"Exit insuring college loans?" What does that mean?

So it isn't viable?

 

The richest man in this country pays personnel not corporate income tax. Corporate income taxes impact Joe working stiff not Joe rich guy.

 

I never said the US should be run like Russia. I said it’s foreign policy should become much more assertive.

 

With all due respect. that's just dumb.

 

WUT??!?

It's not like it's not blatantly obvious.

They're open about it. They shout it from the rooftops. How can you expect to convince anyone that it's not true?

 

Poor effort. I referred to fascist traits. It's perhaps not surprising that neocons were often relapsed Stalinist types. They've been found to exhibit similar authoritarianism traits as right wingers.

Conservatism, as I've already mentioned, has no political economic backbone. "Real conservatives" is therefore meaningless. And you haven't actually discounted anything that I've said. Do the neocons reject individualism? Have they attacked Hayek? Do they favour nationalist hawkish policy, itself just a corruption of realist political economy (and therefore state competition)?

 

For one thing, "leftists" and "antifa" are not related. I believe you have been told this before. AN TI FA is an Anti-Fascist movement from the1920's. Clearly, this group considers Trump a Fascist. Perhaps you could explain the term "leftists. What or whom does that include?

 

Oh, go on.

Walks like a duck, and all that.

I can't imagine anyone believing that Antifa-terrorists aren't leftists.

I seriously doubt that more than a very few of them actually believe that Trump is a fascist. That is just a rallying cry to bludgeon any conserative with.

The bottom line is that a significant proportion of leftists actively hope for the destruction of the USA. The ones that don't, either want us to be subservient to the UN or want a more powerful China to deter us from committing acts of evil around the world.

 

Because you believe in a strong militaristic foreign policy that benefits the MIC and not Americans. And that you are receptive to some forms of the "welfare state" Who use that term for progressive thought but conservatives?

I want to confront any nation that wishes our nation harm either economically or militarily. A strong military does not waste 6-8 trill dollars fighting nations in the mideast and making even more enemies. We should try to normalize relations with Iran to get them to stop supporting terrorism. Likewise with the Maduro government in Venezuela. And end to the sanctions in return for elections overseen by the UN. Putting all that oil on the market will drop oil prices significantly. Lessening the need for fracking and endangering our ecosystem. A stop to the neocon "Israel right or wrong policy" that is so pervasive in DC.

The military is for the defense of American freedoms and American safety. Not for the defense of American business interests in foreign nations. American businesses can't make investments in Iran and Venezuela under their laws and then complain and want the US military in intervene when that sovereign nation changes their laws.

What is "up to date" nuclear forces? We have enough nukes and the ability to deliver them anywhere in the world.

 

They will never like you. Change your stance on abortions to post birth abortions and they might respect you more

 

You promote a Machiavellian might-makes-right worldview among the ruling class. This is inevitably turned against the people of their own country.

 

No, it doesn't "walk like a duck" and you diverted from my question. What are Leftists? Who are they? I can't believe anyone that has been so informed doesn't know who ANTIFA demonstrators are.