Brexit party tops Westminster election poll for first time

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hunt has applauded Trump for his attack on Sadiq Khan


    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/17/jere...trumps-attack-sadiq-khan-9988950/?ito=cbshare

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

    Keeping very quiet about the money his Government have withdrawn from the Police, making the possibility of affording adequate police for London very difficult.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense, she like many who voted for Independence has English roots

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-32991705

    She began her interest in politics at school by studying a course called Modern Studies which we have or had here which allows people to get some genuine knowledge of politics. It helps.
     
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    Why on Earth would the British government fund the police or have anything to do with the police in London when it's down to MOPAC which at this moment of time is Mayor Sadiq Khan.

    Grow a back bone Labour, do your job, stop saying sorry to these families day in and day out and run London and give the police more powers.


    When the Labour mayor blames the government, time to get a Tory mayor, since Labour only complain the government cutting funding when it's actually the Mayor of London who's in charge of that in London.

    Katie Hopkins was right, Sadiq Khan is a joke.

    What kind of fool thinks the British government head of the police budget in London?

    https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/budget-confirms-110m-for-met-police
    It's Labour who's taking the funds from the Police in London, not Jeremy Hunt's government, it's Sadiq Khan.


    Besides, the British justice system is a joke
    , Marijuana is still illegal and a life sentence is 12 years for murder, but in America, you can get 14 years for extortion and racketeering inviting people steal your copyrighted material.
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/14/prenda_law_copyright_troll_jailed/
     
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  4. Nonnie

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    You could say she's a racist against the English. Also, she's a Salmond puppet.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I couldn't. I deal with reality.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Double irony in your last 4 words.
     
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    Ah well, I didn't get my information from a blog, but from this:
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/polit...urges-into-second-place-in-scotland-1-4930282
     
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    Free from what exactly?

    Do you actually know how the EU works?

    That's the problem with most people who voted to leave. They don't.
     
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    That was for the EU elections and is dated 20th May. All the people who voted leave and or are Brit/Nationals must have voted for Brexit.

    The SNP got three seats and Brexit, Tories and LibDems one each.

    The poll I provided you with was a YouGov poll, came out one month later on June 15th and was for Westminster seats. Brexit came in 4th in Scotland though first in England.
     
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    I can’t imagine why anyone in their right mind would vote in a general election for a single-issue campaign group with literally no coherent policies in any other major area of government and no core of viable candidates who would be capable of forming a working government.
     
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    So I guess it's down to Boris Johnson to deliver Brexit and fend off this one issue party in an atmosphere of distrust of either of the main two parties, one for being left winged extremists with anti Israel views as well as anti Capitalist Communism pledges, and the other for not delivering Brexit/bringing about Brexit.

    Just call it a protest vote more than the single issue party that it is.

    If Boris Johnson can deliver Brexit, that would be seen as something since some people don't really want to be in the EU anymore given it's now a super state wannabe distrusting America and China trying to tell Iran what to do.
     
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    Gawd luv you Missus, how can simple folk like us Brexiters understand the workings of mighty things such as the EU? Normally we rely on guidance of clever folk such as you to lead us through life. But when I saw that ballot paper in June 2016 that said (a) tick here if you are ashamed to be British or (b) put your mark here if you want to say bollocks to Brussels, I thought that I could manage that on my own.
     
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    Using this line created no doubt by Farage does not take away that most people, whether for or against were at the time of the Referendum sadly unaware of how the EU was structured. The Daily Mail had spent the previous ten years blaming everything which is wrong in England on the EU so it would make sense that to readers of the Mail that will seem the truth and it was not. As the scotsman says most people don't bother educating themselves before voting

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ourt-over-£350m-claim.556581/#post-1070620227

    Oh it would appear he went further and claimed they were not capable.

    People might do better looking at those who did know what they were talking about and what they were doing and why they were doing it, what they are hoping to gain from it.

    What I have noticed is that a significant number of 'leavers' have a habit of parroting the merest whim Farage or whoever the current Leave idol is. That this is done without knowledge of what they are talking about and as democracy only works if people remained informed, it shows the current state of British Democracy - that those who know nothing will make themselves pliable to whomever uses a few slogans they like..
     
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    If that is your take on what the options meant, then by your reading of it, 62% of Scotland are ashamed to be British as are 46.6% 0f England, 55.8% of Ireland, 47.5% of Wales and 95.9% of Gibraltar..and 27. 8% of us in total didn't care enough about being British to vote at all. Not a good look for a "United" Kingdom, is it?
     
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    Well of course!!! Guess we had no say at all in Brussels so can now kneel to America where we have a bigger impact in world politics!! Good Call....
     
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    It's not that UK had no say in Brussels, it's that Brussels had a say in the UK.
     
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    It's more than Europe that will be cut off, but GB's trade with its largest export partner. From here:
    Statistics on UK-EU trade - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament - excerpted:
    Of course, since a majority of Brits seem presently in Dense Mode, they won't see/feel that reduction for one or two years as job losses take their affect over a period of time.

    But in the third/fourth year, we shall begin to hear from GB the gnashing of teeth and lamentations.

    Which will serve you (plural) right! Some people have to learn the hard way. Latest French news reports have the Brits living permanently here in France very largely flocking to the French immigration authorities for naturalization.

    Moreover, you should know, there was a less self-indulgent way to get the Scots and Northern Ireland to leave the UK! ;^)
     
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    That bit of rubbish is all yours!

    The EU has a parliament in Strasbourg where inter-country EU-law is made. And nation-states also have Constitutional Parliaments of their own for matters that are individual to each of them. You evidently fail to realize these facts in the gibberish posted above.

    And though Right-wing parties have taken the upper-hand in one or two country parliaments, one example of the Right's inability to aptly run a country is Austria where they were recently forced to leave office - see here: Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz ousted in no-confidence vote - excerpt:


    The EU is far from being a dictatorship of either the Right (or Left) as you surmise! It is a self-declared Social Democracy where its constituents reign absolutely by means of the popular-vote elected parliaments that pass both national and international-EU laws ...
     
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    Thank you for that pile of twaddle.

    Many figures fly around from as low as 10% to as high as 70%, depending on which UK definition of UK Law you use. Simply, the EU dictators implement a directive, whether you like it or not and if you don't implement it, that country is fined and fined again until you implement it.

    Sturgeon in her racist wisdom claims she doesn't want parliament telling Scotland what to do. She wants the EU to do that directly.

    Don't take the immigrants in, the dictators fine you.
     
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    Only if you don't take your fair share of the immigrants we are helping to bomb out of their homes. Why would anyone have a problem with that? However that was never a problem for the UK in the EU, despite the UK's whining about having to take refugees/immigrants we were instrumental in creating, because relocation measures did not apply to the U.K. and Ireland, which under the proposal were/are allowed to “determine themselves the extent to which they want to participate” in them. Both countries have agreements under existing EU treaties that allow them to opt out of the asylum rule.

    The EU are much less dictators than any Westminster Government, because they elect on a PR system, have a veto in some circumstances and qualified majority voting in others. No single country can over-rule all the others except in situations when a veto can be used. The FPTP electoral system we use is not democratic, but is deliberately designed to produce "strong and stable governments"...whereby a government elected on a minority of votes, but with a majority of seats, can completely ignore the representatives of the majority of voters who did not vote for their policies........and if that isn't a real dictatorship, albeit by election...what is?
     
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    What you say is what you get in any Debate Forum. Twaddle especially.

    More twaddle.

    There is no such thing as an EU "dictator". All you have for rebuttal is twaddle.

    If and when Scotland becomes a full-fledged member of the EU, it will take its seat surrounded by NO DICTATORS. It is just representative democracy, but I suspect that notion is beyond you level of education.

    Twaddle is as twaddle does. Especially when its writer is consumed with putrefied hate.

    Get help, mindless one. You need it ...
     
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    The EU need a new president. Tell me how many voting EU citizens vote for their president?

    Oh sorry, the EU dictatorship.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...ning-for-juncker-s-post-and-other-eu-top-jobs

    If memory serves, I think there are some 480 million eligible voters in the member states. How many of these can vote for the president?

    Please remember what democracy means when replying.

    The EU only exists thanks to gullibles.
     
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    The current political set-up in the EU is this:
    I am not amused. Go live in a "real dictatorship" like North Korea and you might come back with another opinion of a Real Democracy.

    Because there in NO SUCH OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE EU!

    Haven't you noticed? And when they do get around to electing a common President hell will freeze over. Far too much language difference throughout the EU.

    Otoh,
    *There are some new Artificial Intelligence translating systems though their response times are far too great to be employed in a "conversation".
    *But, that too will come in good time.

    You've got blinkers on.

    Already the fact that the EU has extended and made more facile international exchanges (in goods and services) the single most reason why its GDP is doing so well. How well?

    This is how well here - note that in terms of GDP per capita it is in second-place (only by a very small margin over Japan). So, it is "tied-in-second place" in terms of GDP per person worldwide .

    Statistically and only as regards GDP.

    I suggest, however, that the criteria is far larger than just economic. For instance, what percentage of the population have a post-secondary degree is just one other characteristic to be considered. How many individuals per population have a post-secondary degree. Etc.,etc., etc.

    Amongst a good many other criteria. The above is just a suggestion ...
     
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    It's obvious the blinkers are glued to your face.

    You have it bad.
     
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