I do not know or very much care what happens when I die, I'll find out eventually. For now I will deal with things I can know and experience....if it makes you feel good then please believe as you will.
Well certainly makes more since then pretending very brief interruptions in function are actual death. And to state it simply one more time there is absolutly no evidence of an afterlife. It maygove some comfort which is fine but accepting it with no actual evidence is what is called faith.
The Einstein is a bit of disingenuous nonsense. That is quite simply Comparing someone with a towering intellect to a class of people who are essentially snake oil salesmen.
Exactly what I said. While medicine calls that death it is certainly not a actual physical death since people can survive the brain interuruption or a short interruption in blood flow. Of course some do come back with serious brain or physical damage which I guess to some would indicate that the afterlife consists of living with impared mental and physical functioning. After all to the NDE crowd they are also proof of an afterlife and not necessarily a very pleasant one at that.
This is from Medicinenet: Medical Definition of Death Medical Author: William C. Shiel Jr., MD, FACP, FACR Death: 1. The end of life. The cessation of life. (These common definitions of death ultimately depend upon the definition of life, upon which there is no consensus.) 2. The permanent cessation of all vital bodily functions. (This definition depends upon the definition of "vital bodily functions.") See: Vital bodily functions. 3. The common law standard for determining death is the cessation of all vital functions, traditionally demonstrated by "an absence of spontaneous respiratory and cardiac functions." 4. The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act. It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." This definition was approved by the American Medical Association in 1980 and by the American Bar Association in 1981. Note use of the words " permanent" and " irreversable" Guess we are now done pretending that NDEs have any relevence to " death" in the actual medical world. Or from the Following: https://www.who.int/patientsafety/montreal-forum-report.pdf Note the use of " permanent once again.
As you say, patients can survive a few moments without blood flow, but how do you explain NDErs who are dead for hours or even more than a day, like the Russian, dead for two days? These aren't explainable except for short term death experiences. You can disregard the evidence. That's your choice. But you aren't doing a very good job of countering it. The evidence is stronger than your counters. You need to read a few NDE books & past life books. They are quite convincing--some of them.
When you can post the actual evidence of the Russian having no observable brain stem function for two days as verified by scientific testing it might be worth considering although I just posted what death is a actually defined as by the medical world and if someone came back from whatever state they were in for two days that is not medical death.
Here is an interesting overwiew of the state of NDE science. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-science-of-near-death-experiences/386231/
Althoughthe body deteriorates, the spirit and soul goes on and Jesus promised that when he returns our soylk and body will be combined and resurrected. I can only have faith that it is true and I will see my son again
Whats your point? Do you believe in a higher power? Do you believe that when your physical body dies, your spirit and soul live on?
My personal opinion is that there is no after life in the sense that your consciousness remains. I do believe your life force returns to the universe. I believe that all life throughout the universe draws on a source within the universe for life force, and that upon death that life force is returned to where it came. Our brains for the most part determine who we are. Anyone in the medical field can attest that when peoples brains are altered by desease, injury, stroke or other physical changes, it alters their personalities and who they are to what ever degree the brain has been changed. Our brains are our computers by which we process and think, without them we are no longer who we are.
I'm for what ever you can make yourself believe to quell the existential angst. I'm still looking and so far nothing but BS.....so the old Jew goes to heaven and walks through the pearly gates and meets God. Old Jew says; "Say God I've got a joke for you.....how do you get a girl's number in Auschwitz?" God says nothing. "You pull up her sleeve." God doesn't laugh. The old Jew shrugs and says; "Well I guess you had to be there".
Many have come to faith because of the evidence, after setting out to disprove Christianity. Say you don't agree with the evidence, but don't say there isn't any.
You may have faith that is the case but cosmologists are now starting to suggest the big bang was only one event amongst an infinity of such events stretching back forever. Greater cause? If you’re hinting at a divine creator I don’t swallow it and you’re left with the problem of asking who created that particular entity.
Still haven't spotted the baby jesus on my travels But don't worry, believers … he'll surely "come again in glory (no less) to judge the living and the dead". And he should be back any day now Suckuz...
A more important question is what justification is there,assuming the Christian God does exist, that he is an ‘all loving God’?
Why do people think that there are such things as Gods? All religious Gods are imaginary. Everyone creates his own version in his mind. No two people imagine the same being.
Yes but that’s not what my question was addressed towards. I was asking where it the evidence this supposed God is all loving? Not if we base the claim on the Old Testament for sure and not if we take into account the God of the New Testament is sadistic beyond justification.
God is not on call as a routine magician. Consider the old tradition of thinking that the arrival in heaven involves "meeting your maker." Nope. It doesn't work that way, according to the accounts by NDEers Robert Monroe and Tom Campbell. Individuals home in on the level of their beliefs and awareness. They are sometimes met by volunteering helpers. As an aside, one of the remote viewers associated with the military program happened to be doing an assignment when he encountered the disembodied victims of an airliner disaster. Their fate caught them by surprise. They were standing around asking him "what happened?" They didn't realize that they got catastrophically wiped out physically. He had to tell them.
The overall cause of something cannot do so from within what is caused. Therefore the cause must supersede, whether divine or otherwise.
Your theory, if that’s what one should term it, fails to explain anything. On the other hand as a species I suspect it’s time we began to admit to ourselves we cannot explain everything.When we do dip our toes into the infinite unknown we often lose ourselves, not just in data, but in failing to know or understand what the original question was. https://dailygalaxy.com/2019/06/the-unknown-question-the-end-of-spacetime/#more-18271
