Is Trump becoming more paranoid?

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  1. Bowerbird

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    This struck me as I was researching Hannity’s relationship with Trump

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/20/18692891/trump-sean-hannity-interview

    Actually it is blatant paranoia AND word salad

    Waiting for the excuses, oops sorry explanations to begin
     
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    Trump is a narcissist with a fragile ego

    MSNBC is far left

    FOX is far rigth

    he loves Fox

    I wonder if Trump made Hannity sign one of his famous NDA's
     
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    The establishment media in every country is against him. CNN, MSNBC, the ABC in Aus, the BCC in Britain, Al Jazeera, RT, DW, pretty much everything.

    I'm sure it'd make you paranoid if everyone you were chummy with for 30 years inatantly decided you were Hitler because you defend the border.
     
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    Okay because I do like you I will teach you something called Occam’s Razor

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    In other words the SIMPLEST explanation is often the truest

    So which is more plausible

    Trump is a ****ing idiot who should not be in charge of toilet paper supplies in the Sahara or

    Thousands of journalists across the globe are part of some vast (liberal) conspiracy.

    Ask yourself - what is a GOOD investigative journalist supposed to actually do? What is the job description?

    The best ones, the ones we have traditionally admired are those who shine a spotlight on criminality and wrong doing.

    Let us leave aside Trump for the minute and look at some of the Aussie
    Pollies who have bitten the dust in the past

    Keith Wright - member for Rockhampton ( Fitzroy) did a lot of good for the electorate until they found out he had been assaulting children. Should the press have backed off? Milton Orkopoulos Was a NSW MP a convicted of sex offences again should the press have backed off?

    How about Eddie Obeid? Should Four Cornrers have given him a pass?
     
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    I am well aware of Occam's razor, I did a degree on the subject. I am not saying journos are in some vast conspiracy, I am saying that upwards of 3 quarters of journalism majors are on the left and they are not representative of the broader public.
     
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    Occam was wrong. It may be more pleasant and possibly easier to view the universe we find ourselves in as simplistic but no satisfactory reason has ever been given as to why it must be that way.
    As to Trump and paranoia it’s too simple diagnosis. Narcissistic personality disorder complicated by early dementia is closer to the nightmare in the Whitehouse. And this man is allowed to have his finger poised over that red button?
     
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    Well that is balanced out to a very large degree by Murdoch and dynasty
     
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    My only real hope is that he is too lazy to start a war
     
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    My hope is there’s an elite group of psychologists within the Pentagon who have managed to convince the General. Staff not to give Trump the codes to that red button. One real lover’s tiff with Putin and we’re all done for.
     
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    Is it? Since when is journalism supposed to be being biased to just the right amount to balance out the bias of the other side? Isn't journalism meant to be about an unprejudiced search for the truth?
     
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    Well sorry you were the one complaining about a left wing bias and when I point out that there is a very heavy right wing balance in the form of a multi million dollar dynasty
     
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    No, but the Left is. :rock_slayer:
     
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    Don’t apply for a position with Mr Murdoch then.
     
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    May I be impolite? The mere fact you submitted a degree, even an honours one, on Occum’s razor (0r Ockham, whichever you prefer) does not prove your thesis of simple explanations being necessarily true and/or ‘preferable’. The more than subtle Doctor O many consider to be the ‘father of minimalism’ has I suggest become somewhat of a fetish, especially within the scientific community out of desperate hope their explorations will provide what they so revealingly describe as ‘an elegant solution’. The presumption the universe is elegant and ordered according to a simple ( let alone single ) underlying equation flies in the face of a vast body or recent evidence. This isn’t the place to delve into the cosmology of multiverses or observer/experiment interactions. Let’s just hope a theory of everything can be as simple as something like E=Mc√. I’ve yet to encounter any evidence, let alone proof that it necessarily must be so.
    And don’t let’s forget, Occum rejected atomism, defended Aristotelian hylomorphism and made a distinction between substantial and accidental forms. Simple?
    I do however have some respect for Doctor O’s reliablist epistemology but suggest Rand gives the clearest explanation of such.
    And no I don’t want to get into a protracted discussion of this here or on another thread. At my age the subject matter is inclined to give me headaches.
     
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    As we too often do we can’t take our eyes off a disaster, no matter how ghoulish. Trump is too often the focus of our criticisms and he loves it.
    There’s another focus we need to have on the reasons Trump came to power. If we ignore the genuine grievances of those who voted for him we will see him returned to power and emboldened to ever more dictatorial behaviour and a further weakening of American democracy.
    An interesting article in the Guardian has caught my attention which those on the so called left and many who believe in free trade need to read.
    Here’s an excerpt followed by the link to the full thing.

    Behold the new political yobs. The British and American right, once keen to engage intellectually with the left and firmly anchored in business and the middle class, have now become yobs in their evidence-free, argument-free attitude to trade and foreigners. They are guided by noxious prejudice and the simple rule that their flag and interest must rule whatever.

    Yobs too in their attitudes to all the decent impulses in society: tolerance; the rule of law (that’s for suckers); a welcome to immigrants, fair play; respect for truth, personal integrity. The triumph of the new nativism is the triumph of the yob. Our societies, let alone our politics, have never been so threatened.

    Last week, the prince of yobs, Donald Trump, formally kicked off his campaign for re-election in Florida with a classic speech of the genre. There was no evidence, no popularising of grounded conservative arguments, no constructive case for how to build a better world of rewarding jobs and rich communities. It was a long-winded, incendiary, self-pitying rant against the purveyors of fake news, against the witch-hunt of the Mueller report, appropriating patriotism as only for him and his followers while triumphantly proclaiming that no president had ever been so successful. It was xenophobic and ignorant.


    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...publican-states-as-it-bids-reshape-capitalism

    What I find most interesting is it reflects in part my view Trump and his kind are the enemies of free trade which makes the Republican Parties support of him more obscene than I’d ever thought they were capable of.
     
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    Great entertainment.
     
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    The goal of journalists is not to balance out the bias of other outlets, it's to to good truthful reporting and to mitigate your own bias or at least to make your viewers aware of it.
     
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    How's your new PM doing?
     
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    More whataboutism.
     
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    Just be glad we have this "idiot" instead of the warmonger that still wants war with Russia, Syria, and I dont even know who else.
     
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    Dictorial behavior? Like what?
     
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    Is Trump becoming more paranoid?

    Oh, yes, definitely.

    “Everybody was saying I’m a war monger. And now they say I’m a dove. And I think I’m neither, if you want to know the truth,” Trump told reporters. “I’m a man with common sense. And that’s what we need in this country, is common sense. But I didn’t like the idea of them knowingly shooting down an unmanned drone and then we kill 150 people.”

    Everybody? I haven't heard anyone say that, and I often watch CNN, Trump's critic from hell. I have heard many people say he is incompetent, naive, and intelligence-challenged, but a warmonger, no. He doesn't have the balls to be a warmonger. We all know that.
     
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    Is Trump becoming more paranoid?

    Oh, yes, definitely.

    Trump designs his tweets for a certain audience, his base. Members of his base are the only ones who will believe what he says. Such is the case with his tweets today.

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    ....On Monday they shot down an unmanned drone flying in International Waters. We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not....

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    ....proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone. I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting & more added last night. Iran can NEVER have Nuclear Weapons, not against the USA, and not against the WORLD!

    6:03 AM - Jun 21, 2019

    "Sights???" Would you trust a President who doesn't know the difference between "sights" and "sites?"

    "We were cocked & loaded?" Did Trump get that from a John Wayne movie? What a trite phrase for a President to use, but it is the kind of phrase his fans love.

    There is the overall tenor of these two tweets that only Trump's adoring admirers could possibly believe. Our military is about to make a serious mistake according to Trump's story line and suddenly, at the last minute, he rides in on his white horse and saves the day. Good Lord, it is difficult to imagine anyone believing that. Is that how decisions are made in the Trump White House?

    "I asked, how many will die. 150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike." Very dramatic and a total lie. When the Pentagon presents its options for a military strike, up front is the estimate of casualties. No President is going to learn of the casualty estimate ten minutes before zero hour unless said President is just plain stupid.

    "Sanctions are biting & more added last night." Another lie, the White House has not imposed new sanctions, not yet, anyway. However, that seems to be the direction toward which Trump is heading. He backed Iran into a corner, and Iran shot down a very expensive UAV.

    Iran called his bluff and Trump chose the Neville Chamberlain approach.
     
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    Is Trump becoming more paranoid?

    Oh, yes, definitely.

    Trump has this overblown view of the power of television. Somehow he has gotten it into his head that acting like a T.V. character instead acting like a President is advantageous for him. However, again, his audience is his base. They love it when talks like this.



    This sounds more like a scene for Madam Secretary than an interview with an American President. Trump was very dramatic as he saved the world from Armageddon.
     

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