Every time you feel the urge to call illegal immigrants "criminals", remember this...

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    The moon must be full tonight
     
  2. Thedimon

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    You are in the wrong here.
    Our criminal law, which is based on English common law, requires intent. A 3 year old child can not intentionally commit any crime because that child might not have full understanding of what they are doing or might not be able to willingly separate from parents to avoid being a part of some illegal activity.
    I mean think about it - if someone is dealing drugs and puts their child on a back seat because they have no one to watch the child, the cops will not charge that child with a crime if that drug dealer is caught.
    Generally, kids under 13 are immune from any criminal charges.
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The dossier?

    Oh. I see what you're talking about. You're hung up on the "Spy" bluff. I forgot about that. I think your orange idol would like you to forget about that right about ... now....

    Not sure how you think that would make the Mueller investigation "illegal" but.... it was just another one of Trump's scams to fool the gullible. Like the Iran bombing, the illegal alien raid, ... all those things.... Best for you to let it go. Most of your cult colleagues have. You'll be very disappointed if you don't.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Why the hell aren't you pushing for impeachment?
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No you haven't. Congress does not try crimes. Congress impeaches for High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Completely different things.

    The evidence is there. Answer. Stop deflecting.

    I do not interpret the Mueller Report. I only quote it. I quoted it on the OP. And I quote it here

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...imes-100-proven-in-the-mueller-report.556547/
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes it does! There is no crime unless there is intent. A 2 month old baby has no intent.

    And, as another poster pointed out, there is no crime in overstaying a Visa. The majority of so-called "illegal aliens" are people who overstayed their visa. Therefore, the majority of what you call "illegal aliens" are not criminals. Your President is, but they aren't.

    Ok. So now it's clear you just don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    According to a member of the FBI, they said that without the doesier, they had nothing to get the investigation started against Trump. Not put in quite those words. But the thought was, the dossier was the main evidence to start the investigation and the FBI knew it was unreliable but signed that it was. They also held back from the judge that it was bought and paid for by Hillary and the Democratic Party.
     
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    You seem to ignore a few realities in here. You can’t try a sitting president for a crime. You need to get congress to impeach first. Then you can do the charges.
    Everything else is on the same level as us having a conversation discussing the type of cars we’d be driving if we lived on Mars.
    Don’t accuse me of deflection, you are the one who can’t concentrate and have a legitimate discussion.
     
  9. Daggdag

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    YES Illegal aliens like the FIRST LADY. She illegally entered the US without a visa and worked here for almost a year before she ever officially applied for a Visa. According to Trump any naturalized citizen who has ever been illlegal should lose their citizenship. Let's start with his rent-a-bride.
     
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    In case you didn't know, it takes both chambers. What good does it do impeach the worse president that we have ever had, if the worse Senate majority leader we ever had is just going to block it?
     
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    Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Here in Oregon, which has perhaps the most liberal voting system in the country: In order to register to vote, one has to get a state ID which requires one to show proof of residency and legal status. In Oregon, at least, it is highly doubtful that any illegals vote. In deep red states, the ones that practice voter suppression, I would think that the frequent voter roll purges would keep the illegal count pretty low.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that all 535 members know exactly what Trump is. For Congressional Republicans, he has been their useful idiot. He drags the base along with his fear mongering of illegals, BLM, and whatnot. Oh the horror of it all, if Democrats were to gain control again! They will give us a better health care system, restrict money in politics, give us cleaner air and water, provide for greater consumer and worker protections, and bring more rights and freedoms to more and more people within our society. The horror of it all.
     
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    I'm laughing because I know that no one is ever going to be charged. It is just a bone, for the base to chew on.
     
  14. Professor Peabody

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    You went to Law School....where?
     
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    Wrong. The media used collusion. Rarely used obstruction.
    "The first page of special counsel Robert Mueller's report about purported Trump collusion with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign stated that the original source about hacking was the Democratic National Committee. That's the detail needed to show that this drawn-out investigation had partisan motivations from the beginning."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...structed-justice-narrative-column/3506033002/
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, if Trump had said something similar, it would have been called a lie.
     
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    If he committed a "criminal act" why didn't Mueller seek an indictment? Democrats lost the election and they lost all the investigations done against Trump because the crimes were actually committed by Democrats who are currently being investigated. Democrats are the real criminals. They are NOT helping the AMERICAN people at all, but they certainly seem keen on illegals and defending Iran. This why they are going to LOSE in 2020, not only the White House but also Pelosi's cadre of unAmericans will be in the minority again. We are sick and tired of Democrat insanity. Grow up!
     
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    What does Mueller not finding a crime have to do with people illegally entering the country? This thread is odd
     
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    Works for me, I want him and the illegals gone. Why do you want illegals here? Wouldn't you much rather let the people waiting get a better shot on getting in? That is something I can never get my hands around was why make people on the lists wait longer than deport people that came here illegally.

    If I was Trump for every two I deport I would take one asylum seeker in. Let Pelosi spin that.
     
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    Alot of the people being detained are not even illegal. It's the Trump Administration policy to detain anyone who seeks asylum in the same way they detain illegals. Legal asylum seekers are being thrown into prison and held there for years, and separated from their children, despite the fact that previous policy allowed asylum seekers to be housed together as families, and if they pass background checks, some could be receive temporary visas to live in the US while they await hearings. Trump changed policy so that people who come to the US legally to seek aylum are treated no differently than those who try to cross the border illegally, and they ended all issues of temporary visas for asylum seekers
    And in many cases they refuse to release people even after they've been granted asylum. There is a teacher from Haiti named Ansly Damus who came to the US in legally seeking asylum, had a hearing, and had his asylum granted by an immigration judge.
    Trump refused to release the man, and it took multiple court orders, a lawsuit, and a threat from a federal judge that Trump officials in charge of Damas' detainment would be held in contempt of court and arrested by the US Marshals to finally get him released. He was held for over 3 years, 2 of which happened AFTER his asylum was granted.
     
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    Cool.... That would mean Michael Steele deserves a medal!
     
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    You ignore ONE: my question. Impeachment has nothing to do with whether or not Trump is a criminal. None of these smokescreens that you are throwing has anything to do with that. The only thing that would make Trump a criminal is if he committed a crime.

    Answer! You accused me of deflecting. I answered directly and to the point. Now it's your turn. I have quoted the evidence. Answer the question.

    Here is my complete response and question

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?goto/post&id=1070699744#post-1070699744

    Last chance! Otherwise you will have shown that you are not a serious poster but just another Trump cultist.
     
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    Get back to me when the Democratic controlled house of representatives impeaches the stable genius.
     
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    ILLEGAL immigrants are criminals. They why they are called ILLEGALS. They broke a law and no way you try to spin it will change that
     
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    Law School? You obviously didn't go to Reading School. Those are nothing but direct quotes from the Mueller Report. I don't know where Mueller went to Law School. But he most definitely went.
     
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