How are we better off post Iran deal?

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    The Viet Minh . Moved thousands of heavy artillery pieces and thousands of men and all their equipment a over 100 miles by barefoot porters, assembled them in the field and laid seige to and defeated the French at dien bien phu

    So umm yeah, if they wanted to hode what they are doing they'd move their centrifuges.
     
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    BS
     
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    So? Does Iran sponsor Hezbollah? Don't sponsor terrorists and get access to the world's markets. Stop building nucs and invest in solar power which is cheaper with such an abundant amount of sunshine.

    The US then in turn should stop the discussions around nuclear tech to the Saudi's who are thier enemies.
     
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    If you wish to think so.
     
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    Trump’s erratic policy moves put national security at risk, experts warn
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1b9b36b64ad_story.html?utm_term=.ad45f31df033

    "Three policy turnarounds by President Trump this month have underscored his freewheeling governing style, an approach that some experts warn sends mixed messages and puts U.S. national security at risk.

    Trump’s approach on three issues — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids, Mexican tariffs and Iran — is politically risky for the president, who is increasingly employing brinkmanship in an effort to achieve key policy goals."
     
  6. Robert E Allen

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    Yes, it is too bad that decades of inaction on these issues has created a situation where the President feels the need to take such actions.

    I don't think Trump however has a military mind and shouldn't be making these statements and decisions without a lot of heavy consultation.
     
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    Even if sanctions do not compel Iran to comply with international demands, they DO financially restrict their ability to finance and create havoc throughout the middle east.

    Being that Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the map, ultimately, Israel cannot allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. Barring them actually agreeing to a legitimately verifiable agreement to never possess nukes, at some point, the removal of the Mullahs will probably be necessary, whether that includes us or if it is just Israel acting alone. The best case scenario would be that its own people stand up to and remove the mullahs from power. The odds of that happening are greater under sanctions.

    Regardless, backing out of the agreement thus stunting their financial ability to finance chaos, is a step in the right direction
     
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    You didnt have anything legitimate that you wanted to say? Then why bother responding?
     
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    It ain't over...
     
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    Reference was to the Gulf not Afghanistan.
     
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    Because the Iranians made it clear they weren't open to renegotiating anything. Why would they be? They got everything and gave up essentially nothing in return.
     
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    They weren't open to renegotiating? Can you document that claim?
     
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    Do some reading. The Iran deal had sunset clauses.
     
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    Ya. That quote was just another example of the sheer dishonesty of the right wing party.
     
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    1) because the deal still allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons

    2) We have reapplied the sanctions to bring Iran to actually negotiate denuclearization.

    You know like North Korea
     
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    I am sure they feel good about staying out of that one, while anyone involved feels somewhat embarrassed that they bought the lies.
     
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    I'm sorry. I thought you knew your post was BS when you made it. But I guess you are just not well educated on the topic.
    So let me help.

    One of the most misleading distortions being floated by political opponents of the Iran nuclear deal is the “24-day” loophole meme: Iran would be able to hide all evidence of any nefarious nuclear weapons work during the 24 days it may take inspectors to gain access to a suspicious site.

    For starters, International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors would have continuous daily access to all Iran’s declared nuclear facilities. If Iran does not allow anytime inspections of any declared site, it could result in the reimposition — or “snapback” — of sanctions.

    The 24-day rule applies only to undeclared suspect sites anywhere in the country. Because inspections anywhere at any time can be complicated to work out, a procedure was devised to address the problem.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...-to-hide-nuclear-work-in-24-days-or-24-years/
     
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    Well, you at least made an honest attempt at a reply, which is definitely progress. Kudos.

    Unfortunately, you have put forth a strawman.

    Who said anything about a "declared" nuclear facility?....Oh you did, and you also added in the caveat of "all" evidence, and then you proceeded to argue against YOUR statement. You do know that it is entirely possible to work on nuclear capability outside of a "declared" site do you not? What about a military base? Why do you suppose they insisted upon 24 days notice?

    You can either inspect anywhere at any time..... or inspecting is effectively meaningless and an exercise in needless futility. Nothing you have presented effectively refutes that common sense declaration.
     
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    Do you really want to cling to that?
    Do you think a new centrifuge facility would go unnoticed?
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    Or their heave water reactor?
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    Or maybe a new enrichment facility.
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    Ok i read it.. your point?

    My question is why in the hell did anyone sell centrifuges to Iran? Why are we allowing them to enrich uranium 235?
     
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    Looks like a great target for a pair of f-16s
     
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    I think you forgot what you posted.
    The point is they have yuge facilities that would be really difficult and expensive to reproduce and hide.
    I'm not sure anyone sold centrifuges to Iran.
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Nuclear-chief-Iran-builds-new-centrifuge-rotor-factory-562823

    But the second question is what the purpose of the agreement was all about. To reduce the level of enriched uranium to a level the would keep them from making a bomb. Pretty slick. Huh?
     
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    You can either inspect anywhere at any time..... or inspecting is effectively meaningless and an exercise in needless futility. Nothing you have presented effectively refutes that common sense declaration
     
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    Is this the beginning of a new topic?
    Good.
     

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