Every time you feel the urge to call illegal immigrants "criminals", remember this...

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  1. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    Heh, funny. Not all laws require intent. Seems I'm not the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

    All visa overstays are also criminals. One day over your visa is considered "unlawful presence" and your visa can be voided for overstaying just ONE DAY.

    "There are three levels of penalties for overstaying a U.S. visa and accruing unlawful presence, which can end with you being banned from the U.S. for a long period of time—or permanently.

    • If you accrue unlawful presence of more than 180 continuous days but less than one year, but you leave before any official, formal removal procedures (deportation) are instituted against you, you will be barred from reentering the United States for a period of three years.
    • If you accrue unlawful presence of more than 365 continuous days, then leave prior to any deportation or other formal procedures being instituted against you, you will be subsequently barred from reentering the United States for a period of ten years.
    • If you accrue unlawful presence of more than one year total (in the aggregate, not necessarily continuous), or are ordered removed (deported) from the U.S., and subsequently attempt to enter without inspection (for example, attempt to sneak across the border), then you will be permanently barred from the U.S., with no waiver available except to VAWA self-petitioners. (After ten years, however, you can request special permission to apply for a U.S. visa or green card.)"
    https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nol...quences-of-overstaying-on-temporary-visa.html
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you're going to quote the Mueller Report, quote the Mueller Report. Don't just send a link to an opinion page. It will make you look ridiculous when the real quotes are produced.

    This is what the Mueller Report really says about Collusion on the first page.

    "The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."

     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was not my point. Virtually everyone used the term "Collusion". Almost no one used the term "conspiracy".
    "Links" are neither collusion or conspiracy.
     
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    You have to learn to read the full report....."the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian Government in the election interference activities"

    You lost....the false accusations have been exposed.


    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955118-The-Mueller-Report.html
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Only in the same sense that you would call Harry Potter a "lie".
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About time Trump says something, the left takes him literally and that would have been considered a lie.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did you read the OP? I marked this question with an asterisk (*) so I wouldn't have to respond to this uninformed question over and over. And then follow the link at the end of that post.

    Go back and do your homework!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Where did you read I want illegals here?

    Pay attention!
     
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    JusticeOne Active Member Past Donor

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    Oh brother
     
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    According to the FT. worth Star Telegram, Texas Secretary of State David Whitley says that a year long study found about 95,000 non-US citizens were registered to vote and that 58,000 of them have voted between 1996 and 2018. I don't even want to think how many of them have voted in California and New York. If you don't think that Democrats are signing them up, you are VERY naive. And they aren't signing them up to vote Republican, are they? Your party is soooooooo corrupt. They break the law without batting an eyelash. They live their mantra------by any means necessary. They make me sick. Google it yourself, Mr. Derriere, if you dare...
     
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    So Schiff says impeachment isn’t happening so now Schiff for brains is corrupt?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Good luck trying to prove in court that a 2-month old baby is a criminal.

    Quote the code that criminalizes visa overstays.
     
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    The parents sure are and the kids goes with the parents. Your attempt at logic is astounding.
     
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    The left celebrate criminals, so always seems odd when they come out with this fake moral high ground.
     
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    Link to this supposed study?

    Independents are really a party. And if there is an independent party, it would be the least corrupt, as there is now corrupt party line to follow.

    So far, you're striking out. But you can get a foul tip if you can provide the link to that supposed study.
     
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    On the right, collusion was basically the only term used. On the rest... collusion was used. But it was not the main point we were looking for on the Mueller's report. We're looking for obstruction, and other crimes that are still under investigation (and therefore redacted on the report) by the SDNY and other instances. Including Congress..

    All links that are contacts by operatives in the Trump campaign with Russia seeking information obtained through illegal means are collusion. The unredacted portion of the Mueller Report identifies 272 such contacts. And that's a lot considering that Mueller wasn't even investigating collusion. I would add to that all efforts to hide such contacts..
     
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    But, according to your own words, collusion is not illegal.
     
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    Conspiracy is. So is accepting foreign "contributions" to a campaign.
     
  19. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you're saying "lock her up!" and "build that wall" was a metaphor?

    Tell me what is the formula is for us to know when he is talking literally and when he is not. What is the formula? If there is no formula, then what's the difference between that and lying?

    Bottom line: Trump a pathological liar. There is no way you can twist that fact out of reality.
     
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    Call them what they are - job seekers.
     
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    What for? You already ignored the federal law I quoted that criminalizes illegal enters. You'll just ignore that one, too. One thing I don't do is make the same mistake twice.
     
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    Sociologists say this, too. In the past, the numbers evened out because disease, starvation, and war took a heavier toll on stupid people than smart people. Today, however, there's a serious dysgenic effect going on because the smart people have wiped out most of the disease, starvation, and war. So the stupid people are outbreeding the smart people, and not by a little, by a lot. This is why Islam is the fastest growing religion, why Europe is being invaded by Middle Easterners and Africans by the millions, and why America is being invaded by just about everyone. When they had no money and no access to Western medicine, they couldn't invade because there just weren't that many of them.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no idea where I said anything about those being a metaphor. You sure do make up a lot of stuff.
    I would call yours hyperbole rather than a metaphor. Hyperbole means exaggeration.
     
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    The standards of proof in our system of justice are 1. beyond a reasonable doubt, 2. clear and convincing, and 3. the preponderance of the evidence (though preponderance has been hijacked by the 51% rule). Your standard -- it looks bad to you -- does not cut it.
     
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    Well, that, and the lack of any impeachable offenses.......
     
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