Rub my belly first ... (Can the next PM take UK out of the EU)?

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    This week, former Mayor of London Boris Johnson has been in the press for being favourite to become the replacement PM after the PM quit (again).

    I'm reminded of the whole office of Mayor of London, and how it was in the lead up to 2008 when he beat the first Mayor of London... Or when he stepped down and Sadiq Khan beat Boris's replacement. And those have always seemed more intense than some other elections, for some reason, so for a year, you've got two people thrown on TV, in the news, this that and the other and a lot of campaigning putting candidates for this office in my face.
    That's how I first heard of Boris Johnson in 2007, through an intense campaign, same way I first heard of Sadiq Khan (I never heard of him either until he ran for Mayor of London, tbh).

    So like in any intense race, they're going to try and butter up the electorate; like this week;
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48728265
    Boris Johnson, the favourite to be the next PM, under scrutiny, Jeremy Hunt, the underdog since Boris Johnson is a clear favourite.... They're rubbing Brexiteer bellies saying they can deliver Brexit...

    It's like they're rubbing my belly first before screwing me over.
    Telling us you'd deliver Brexit but not how you'd deliver Brexit.
     
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    They had a vote on giving the PM the authority to initiate article 50, it passed, May submitted it, the 2 years ran out, EU gave an extention.

    If by October there is still no progress the EU will be unlikely to give another extention. At this point is doesn't matter what the Parliament votes for. You are out. The parliament can claim they are not out, it is irrelevant.

    Personally I think they will stretch extentions for the foreseeable future, certainly into the next decade. Eventually the Brits will get tired and confused and vote to become some variety of vassal state of the EU.

    If there's one golden strategy used by the EU on a regular basis, it is to ignore votes that don't go their way and demand unlimited new votes until their desires are met.
     
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  3. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    The UK will never leave the EU. It's something I predicted about two years ago. Even that long ago, I knew it wasn't going to happen because it shouldn't have taken more than a month at the most.
     
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    I think Boris will exit... let's call it Boribrexit, he's crazy and stubborn enough

    the other guy... Jeremy Hunt.... mmm not sure, perhaps this PM vote is just another vote Yay or nay for Brexit, dressed up as something else... the remainers seems to be pulling every dirty trick they have out.
     
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    The approach adopted should have been simple. A Norway-esque customs union, with a confirmation vote (given most folk didn't really know what Brexit meant).

    It's been made difficult because of 2 cults: Little Englander Brexiteers and Liberal Remainer Ultras. Both have every reason to stop compromise. The Little Englanders are pushing Trump-type legitimacy of hard right politics. The Remainer Ultras are neoliberals fighting against Corbyn's social democracy. They celebrate the Lib Dems, despite their part in austerity which ironically drove the Brexit vote.

    Boris, given his political prostitution status, will court the nearly-dead Tory members and therefore celebrate the Little Englander perspective. If that means Hard Brexit then I'd assume a vote of no confidence and a general election. That will be perfect territory for Brexit Party and Lib Dem gains, saving Chuka's career. That at least unites the country. Brexiteers and Remainers are equally at fault for the existence of politicians like Chuka Umunna and Nigel Farage...
     
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    The only reason they aren't out already is that the establishment in England much like the establishment in the US is busily try to stab the voters in the back.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    That makes absolutely no sense!
     
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    Then you aren't following the news.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    You don't have an argument. Take Farage. You couldn't get more of an establishment figure. And take the Brexiteers. During the referendum, they repeatedly referred to how Brexit meant replacing current arrangements with a customs union.

    Perhaps you need to stop watching Fox News?
     
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    Farage is establishment like you are the world's highest paid rugby star. Teresa May stalled for producing plans that pleased no one pro or anti and labor hated it.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    The naivety is spectacular! A millionaire ex banker as an anti-establishment figure? You're having a laugh. He's a Thatcherite that drinks a pint of beer when pushing a false 'man of the people' grunt.

    May was clearly inept. Naff all justification for your original comment mind you.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    This will explain everything
     
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