Am I responsible for the actions of those in the past?

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    Hard to argue with that. At some point we need to really determine if the good we are trying to do is actually doing good.
     
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    I think there are two black hate groups but close to 100 white supremacy groups. You are a white guy so you don’t understand what it’s like to be an innocent black person who gets stopped by the cops all the time for no reason other than the color of his skin. I remember looking out my window and the cops were beating up a black guy in handcuffs.
    It wouldn’t happen to me!
     
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    Sorry, left off the c.
    Southern Poverty Law Center
    The Southern Poverty Law Center documented 1,020 active hate groups in the United States in 2018. ... Southern Poverty Law Center monitors hate groups and other extremists throughout the U.S. and exposes their ...
     
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    Affirmative action certainly helped .
     
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    I don't think anything about his 'blackness' at all. If he has an accent, I might play a mental guessing game regarding the origins of that accent, but that would be the extent of it.

    I take it from your question that you do think about race? I'll bet you're one of these white folk who behaves differently around black folk. Gush just a little bit, and try just a little bit too hard. Maybe even talk a fraction louder, or slightly more slowly. And I'll bet you don't have even the slightest awareness you're doing it. Don't worry, I have a couple of friends who do that stuff. They're the most vocally 'anti-racism' of the lot, of course.
     
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    Did you count the bloods and crips in your hate groups?
     
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    It's not someone's personal guilt but the government usually takes care of the problems stemming from the past. Germany paid reparations to Israel and Holocaust victims, while Japan is still held accountable for what Imperial Japan had done in the past. Eight lawsuits were filed in South Korea on seeking compensation from coke producer Nippon Coke & Engineering Co. as Koreans are going after the Japanese to make them pay reparations for wartime forced labor. These frivolous lawsuits against Japanese companies would cost them millions. South Korea now has an activist president who encourages anti-Japanese activism to get even with Japan.

     
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    I love it when people project their feelings into others. A very common psychological mechanisms
     
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    I believe one is responsible for one's own actions, decisions and the like. One isn't responsible for anyone else, past, present, future of their actions. I'll add a caveat, if one is in charge and has control over others, then one can be held responsible for their actions and decisions. But not for anyone, past, present or future where one didn't have any control or could have effected a different outcome.
     
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    Oooh is it now? Well I'm sure glad we have a qualified psych here to tell layfolk like me how the brain works ;)
     
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    I’m glad you’re happy....you make it easy
     
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    I was when you said that! But I'm not entirely without mercy, you can't know everything.
     
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    I’m like Donald trump..I’m the best at everything, just ask me
     
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    Well, technically, he is "neither-nor". However, crank's point was that Obama's skin colour is irrelevant because he is an American - a truly anti-racist remark with which someone who hosts "anti racism workshops" should agree with.

    No, he would be just another guy.

    No one is defending that system.
     
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    Only to the racist. The only time I ever take note of someone's physical attributes out on the streets is if the person in question is an attractive female. :cool:

    Are you saying all White males are sexist racists? Wow, that is kind of, well, sexist and racist at the same time.

    In one paragraph you claim that America is more racist than ever and that it will take generations to change that and in the next, you say America has never been as tolerant as it is today - which one is it?
     
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    Rittz for the WIN!
     
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    They were often sold in Africa to the space traders. Slavery has been part of Africa for thousands of years.
     
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    Who is we? Do you have a frog in your pocket?
     
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    Paradoxically enough, the so called "anti-racists" regard all racial groups as homogenous entities with no individual variation.
     
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    Yeah that's why it seems like projection when they call other people racist
     
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    I agree Obamas skin color should not matter but for crying out loud take a reality check....When have I ever said anything racist about Obama. I guess all those neo-Nazis and white supremacists are not prejudiced at all.
    Yeah , right you wouldn’t notice a man’s color. Once people say they are colorblind you know where they stand. I bet you see a person walking down the street you would say I didn’t notice it was a woman. There is nothing wrong with noticing a persons color but pretending that you don’t notice is ridiculous
     
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    And you also take notice if it’s a black guy with a hoodie...nothing wrong with that
    Yes every single white man in the world is a sexist racist. Stop being so silly
    America has always been racist and Trump has released that racism and we see that by the number of hate groups. But also young people coming up are much more tolerant. For example young people support gay marriage, young women see opportunities they couldn’t have dreamed of , etc.
     
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    We..=..Americans . Or do you want individual names
     
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    Oh so it’s fine that we had slavery because after all it started in Africa.
     
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    You're wrong we didn't do that our ancestors did. They're all dead now if you want to take it out on them go dig up their corpses. if you want me to pay for their crimes because I'm white or male I will resist you endlessly.
     
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