Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

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  1. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Proof that they have a huge financial interest in promoting abortions as a general?

    Planned Parenthood:
    In the fiscal year ending June 30, 2014, total revenue was $1.3 billion: non-government health services revenue was $305 million, government revenue (such as Medicaid reimbursements) was $528 million, private contributions totaled $392 million, and $78 million came from other operating revenue.

    New Report Shows Planned Parenthood Raked in $1.5 Billion in Taxpayer Funds Over 3 Years

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    A recent report has revealed that Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider, received over $1.5 billion in taxpayer funds from 2013 to 2015.

    Their number of health centers and affiliates declined, and they performed fewer cancer screenings and prevention services.

    https://www.heritage.org/marriage-a...ed-parenthood-raked-15-billion-taxpayer-funds
     
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    And I even I know that they are not allowed to bill your government for abortions. That money went to other services like providing safe reliable contraception- you know thing one thing that actually reduces abortion?
     
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    By 20 weeks 98.7% of all abortions have already occurred.

    Did you actually READ the ORIGINAL ARTICLE about this new technology for yourself or was this just the typical kneejerk "Gerber baby" reaction?

    Here is the article that you FAILED to provide.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/9211...tures-clearest-imaging-ever-20-week-old-fetus

    This technology is NOT going to be available for a while yet and it will be a LONG TIME before it is available to EVERY pregnant woman in the entire USA.

    Secondly this is an image of a MIDTERM FETUS when regular ultrasounds can start to detect FETAL ABNORMALITIES which is the primary reason for late term abortions.

    This technology has the potential to REDUCE the number of late term abortions by enabling them to occur SOONER rather than later for reasons of DETECTABLE fetal abnormalities.

    It will NOT eliminate all late term abortions because not every abnormality is detectable via ultrasound that the health of the woman concerned is another vital factor that must ALWAYS be taken into consideration.
     
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    Why don't you quote the FACTS that pertain to EXACTLY what you are seeing!

    https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

    Only 1.3% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks which would be around 12,000 and those are ONLY for MEDICAL REASONS such as a fetal ABNORMALITY or a threat to the LIFE and/or HEALTH of the woman concerned.

    Without that abortion the WOMAN COULD DIE!

    Anti-abortionists don't appear to give a crap about the LIFE and/or HEALTH of the woman concerned.

    Why is that?

    Is her life WORTH LESS than the fetus to those who hate women's rights?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :applause:
     
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    And so their life is of no value whatsoever?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for sharing. I'm just having difficulty understanding how the birth process could've posed such a threat and whether it did her harm, bringing her closer to death than if she had not given birth, and not just meant that she had more of a "chance of dying."
     
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    A correct term for what? You're not making sense!
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    Renee said:
    A ZEF is the correct term...


    Uhh, the correct term for Zygote/Embryo/Fetus......maybe you should read up on this subject before commenting....the use of ZEF is quite basic.
     
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    98.3 % of abortions are in the first trimester. And that justifies the rest that dont? What a warped outlook. 12,000 to 15,000 babies are murdered per year



    I provided the video to show you what it is you guys advocate killing. A moving, living human being. Here it is again



    Thats not true. Not according to decades worth of research.

    Most late term abortions are not done before of fetal abnormalities or because the life of the mother is in danger. You have obviously not read my post. Here it is again.


    According to Justice Blackmun, the doctor’s medical judgment as to the health of the mother may be “exercised in the light of all factors—physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age—relevant to the well being of the patient.”

    A woman can have an abortion at 9 months merely because she is feeling stressed that day. Emotional, psychological, and familial stresses are all included under the umbrella term that is the "health of the mother", as per Doe vs Bolton.

    "Essentially, Roe allowed abortion without any regulation in the first trimester of pregnancy, but made abortions in the second and third trimesters contingent upon demonstrated threats to the pregnant mother’s health. Along with rape and incest, therefore, medical necessity became the pathway to unrestricted abortion access. It should be noted that varying definitions of medical necessity for abortion have ricocheted along a continuum with consideration of a “broad range of physical, emotional, psychological, demographic, and familial factors relevant to a woman’s well-being” at one extreme and “conditions which place a woman in danger of death” at the other. However, while the occasional politician or news reporter will still indicate that late-term abortions are most often performed in the case of “severe fetal anomalies” or to “save the woman’s life,” the trajectory of the peer-reviewed research literature has been obvious for decades: most late-term abortions are elective, done on healthy women with healthy fetuses, and for the same reasons given by women experiencing first trimester abortions. The Guttmacher Institute has provided a number of reports over 2 decades which have identified the reasons why women choose abortion, and they have consistently reported that childbearing would interfere with their education, work, and ability to care for existing dependents; would be a financial burden; and would disrupt partner relationships. A more recent Guttmacher study focused on abortion after 20 weeks of gestation and similarly concluded that women seeking late-term abortions were not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment. The study further concluded that late-term abortionseekers were younger and more likely to be unemployed than those seeking earlier abortions. It is estimated that about 1% of all abortions in the United States are performed after 20 weeks, or approximately 10 000 to 15 000 annually. Since the Roe framework essentially medicalized abortion decisions beyond the first trimester, and since abortions in the United States are now performed on demand and only rarely for medical reasons..."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457018/

    MOST LATE TERM ABORTIONS ARE PREFORMED PURELY OUT OF CONVENIENCE.

    ITS PURE EVIL TO KILL THIS BABY PURELY OUT OF CONVENIENCE.


    Fetal abnormalities? Like it will be a still birth? Or like they will have autism? If its the latter, you are advocating the same thing that the Natzis were advocating for. Using eugenicists to eradicate the disabled. By saying this, you are saying that they should have never been born. They are people too.

    Frank Stephens' POWERFUL Speech On Down Syndrome


    As for the former, decades of research has proven that to be a lie.

    "However, while the occasional politician or news reporter will still indicate that late-term abortions are most often performed in the case of “severe fetal anomalies” or to “save the woman’s life,” the trajectory of the peer-reviewed research literature has been obvious for decades: most late-term abortions are elective, done on healthy women with healthy fetuses, and for the same reasons given by women experiencing first trimester abortions. The Guttmacher Institute has provided a number of reports over 2 decades which have identified the reasons why women choose abortion, and they have consistently reported that childbearing would interfere with their education, work, and ability to care for existing dependents; would be a financial burden; and would disrupt partner relationships. A more recent Guttmacher study focused on abortion after 20 weeks of gestation and similarly concluded that women seeking late-term abortions were not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment"
     
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    May I see the "more recent Guttmacher study" that you mention? From the Guttmacher site.



    """"The Guttmacher Institute has provided a number of reports over 2 decades which have identified the reasons why women choose abortion, and they have consistently reported that childbearing would interfere with their education, work, and ability to care for existing dependents; would be a financial burden; and would disrupt partner relationships""""


    YUPPERS! ALL good reasons.....even though they need no reason at all except they don't want to be pregnant
     
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    Your source has ZERO CREDIBILITY!

    Try this one instead and read ALL of it before trying to cherry pick just the bits you like because it provides DETAILS that your bogus source leaves out.

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45161.pdf
     
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    Not in their minds. You, obviously can't conceive of life without parents or family and life in an orphanage.
     
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    Got it. When you cant argue facts, use blind and ignorant ad-hominem attacks against the source.

    Instead of using ad-hominem attacks, how about telling how The National Center for Biotechnology Information is not credible?

    The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) is part of the United States National Library of Medicine (NLM). Lol
     
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    How about : ""May I see the "more recent Guttmacher study" that you mention? From the Guttmacher site.""
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    How about : ""May I see the "more recent Guttmacher study" that you mention? From the Guttmacher site.""



    Why can't you provide a link to the Guttmacher site? Doesn't it say what you want it to say ????
     
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    As I said, everything is properly sourced.

    If you actually cared about having a meaningful and productive conversation instead of using ad-hominem attacks against credible sources and spewing talking points, you would have bothered to actual read it. Intellectual dishonesty to the max.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457018/#!po=16.6667
     
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    """""METHODS: As part of a larger study, 272 women who received an abortion at or after 20 weeks’ gestation""""




    23-24 weeks abortion is legal. This study ONLY said "at or after" it did NOT say when "after" was...






    """"and 169 who received first-trimester abortions at 16 facilities across the country in 2008–2010 were interviewed one week after the procedure. Mixed effect logistic regression analyses were used to determine the characteristics associated with later abortion (i.e., at 20 weeks or later). Causes of delay in obtaining abortion were assessed in open- and closed-ended questions; profiles of women who received later abortions were identified through factor analysis.


    Results: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

    CONCLUSION: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources.""""



    Yup, those Republican anti -Abortions laws sure make it hard for women to get timely abortions.....
     
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    I was referring to the AUTHOR of that massive load of bovine excrement. He has ZERO CREDIBILITY because all of the crap he posts is just a regurgitation of the DEBUNKED nonsense about women and abortions.

    Just to PROVE that your source is FOS let's take one of his bovine excrement allegations.

    There is ONLY ONE alleged Guttmacher Study that meets his BOGUS and criteria it was from 2013!

    https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

    That is called LYING BY OMISSION!

    Your source makes no mention at all of the FACT that the PURPOSE of the study was to determine the IMPACT that anti-abortion laws would have on women.

    When you go and look at the DATA from the ORIGINAL STUDY you discover that only 44% of the women chose to participate which means that your source LIED BY OMISSION regarding the reasons for the other 56% of the women obtaining abortions.

    Furthermore the REASONS that were provided by the women were LEGITIMATE given their circumstances.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013

    Those were ONLY the 44% who participated in the study.

    To DISINGENUOUSLY ASSUME that NONE of the other 56% of the women had fetal abnormalities and/or health problems is WHY your source has ZERO CREDIBILITY.
     
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    So then why not just let the mother arrange to have them killed before it gets to that stage?
     
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    Are you or are you not against abortion?
     
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    This is such a silly strawman argument. No woman of boards one minute before birth so stop doing those silly “what if’s”
     
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    THIS:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457018/#!po=16.6667

    Has NOTHING to do with the Guttmacher article......it is a conclusion, a biased, inaccurate conclusion from a site that is NOT GUTTMACHER!
     
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    What TF are you talking about???

    Kill who at what "stage"? The stage they go to an orphanage ? !? WTF....


    Why do you appear to be advocating for murder???????
     
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