This is the PERFECT replacement for the welfare system.

You left out the part of where the money is coming from.
Anybody can spend someone else's money carelessly, and nearly always does. Where I come from- the guy who pays the bill gets to call the shots, and that's only logical. So- I assume that you are stepping forward to fund all this crap??

I'll save you some money- I pay my own way. Period.
Leave me out, I will neither accept benefits from nor fund your fantasy.

 

It actually improves quality where do you people get this BS? There is a reason why every other industrialized nation has it because it works. But but but doctors will quit even though they are leaving to work in canada because they don't need to deal with the insurance BS we have here

I bet you support paying for the bloated military, even though it does nothing for you. Bet you also supported the tax cuts to those who did not need it because reasons.

 

Oh really? Which ones? Not the UK or Canada. Scandinavians pay obscene amounts of taxes for which the health care isn't all that great either. What we had before Obamacare was the best and most affordable healthcare on the planet because the government didn't run it.

 

I don't have any faith in your assessment of what makes a quality health system. You seem like a crazy person. Particularly because of your posts about shooting the members of the make-believe deep state.

 

The military does nothing for you??? Do you think for a split second that places like Iran, NK and others wouldn't love to attack us? Bad assumption. You are free because we have the power- no other reason.

We have insurance BS here, alright. And it's because we support a radically adversary legal system which has turned medical lawsuits and regulation into a circus- driving the cost of meds and care through the roof. Every other ad on TV is either a lawyer trying to convince you that you are entitled to money for some medical service or product, or a medical product maker trying to lay downenough product warning while still advertising that the lawyers have a hell of a time proving they didn't warn you.

Japan has 7 lawyers per 100,000 population. England loves litigation- so they have 83, second highest in the world. The country in first place has 287- over three times as many as second place. Care to guess which country that is???

Can you figure out who is paying the bills for all the lawsuits- valid and even frivolous ones, still costing hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend? It all comes from the consumers- as insurance. The doctors, hospitals, all medial staff and all pharmacy companies have massive insurance bills to protect them from the predators. ALL of that cost goes into their billing to consumers- then, onto your insurance premium.

That is why medical insurance is crazy- and one payer or 50, until that cash cow is shut down, bills will be astronomical and lawyers will spend millions soliciting people who want to get all the compensation all they are "entitled" to... of which the lawyers will take 35-70%. "If you took and aspirin and farted, or think you might have, call us now....."

 

Well when you graduate high school, you get a job that pays more than min wage.

Unless you dont... and then, that's a personal decision. I could find those people a job right now typing at a desk making $14/hr in an office.

In fact, they're begging for people because they cant find enough applicants who can pass a drug test.

 

Quality healthcare means that all subscribers get the very best medical treatment available without exceptions at an affordable price. To deny that there is/was a clandestine effort to unseat the president is crazy we already know it's true it's just going to take time to unravel it all. In my opinion all of the players should swing, their intent was all the same the degree of their involvement doesn't change that. Sedition, Insurrection and Treason are all criminal acts but only Treason merits the death penalty I think that needs to change.

 

Yikes you would think that in the age of the internet people would be smarter, no the federal government never said "Lets make a minimum wage so that High school students can get work experience" Like seriously how lacking in neurons does one have to be to believe that GOP lie

 

What about the disabled on SSI, I get a smaller monthly check than proposed but get SNAP and a COLA on my monthly amount and SNAP adjusted for living costs an out of pocket medical costs so for me is $160 a month for food. Plus other benefits for being deemed disabled and unfit for work. The $1,000 a month without a COLA and considering my other expenses like food in the long run is a losing proposition long term.

 

Not enough to live on? Let's see... at 5 dollars an hour, that's 800 dollars a month. There are tents on ebay that can be had for about 10 bucks. sleeping bags are a bit more, but I'm sure you can find some used at salvation army, so that's 20 bucks for a portable residence. You can buy 15 pounds of beans for about 50 bucks. Everybody loves a nice hot bowl of beans! So now we're up to 70 bucks, but we've taken care of food and shelter.

That leaves a staggering 720 dollars left over, and that's low-balling minimum wage. I managed to make 10 bucks an hour as a high school student, so an adult can surely do better than that.

 

Your SSI amount would still stay, you would get 1000 on top of that. So if you say got 1500 from SSI you would now get 2500 a month.

 

Dont mistake my hatred of govt health care for support for the insurance industry. Health insurance is just a deferred payment plan, not actual insurance. We need to go back to the time when health insurance was closer to how we use car insurance. It should be used for emergencies and chronic illness, not routine care.

(Queue the "you cant price shop from the back of an ambulance" stupidity)

 

Minimum wage at that level equals $30K a year.

Huh?

 

Where do you get the increadibly low price tag of 2.7 billion?

 

Thar was monthly to late to edit when I saw that, its $32.4B per year

 

Theres less than 2 million people working at or below the min wage... of those, the vast majority work in the food service industry.

But to your point, if we raise the min wage, then everyone will demand a wage and the people at the bottom will still be... at the bottom.

I make $32/hr. If Dickface McGoo at Burger King suddenly makes $15/hr, then I'm going to demand $40/hr.

So will everybody else.

The biggest question is, why pay Dickface McGoo $15/hr when hes worth about $5/hr? Because itll make everyone feel good inside?

Suggestion for McGoo... go work a job that requires just a LITTLE bit of brain power and double your pay. Even warehouse workers make $12/hr all day every day.

And again, I can find people a job all day long making $14/hr sitting there typing ****, but you have to be able to pass a drug test. You would be AMAZED at the amount of people who turn down those jobs because they know they cant pass a drug test.

On second thought, you probably wouldnt be. Typically the people fighting over those low paying jobs cant pass a drug test, which is nothing new.

 

If someone getting a living wage that you think is "below" you upsets you to the point where you would quit if you didn't get a raise then you have a bit of an issue. Like how does that effect your life? This is why the US is **** compared to Europe to many people only care about themselves unlike Europe where people want everyone to live at a good quality.

Yeah go ahead ask for the raise and when the boss says no, either suck it up or quit and enjoy being unemployed.

 

Or go elsewhere where they'll pay me more, like most functioning adults do?

So let me explain... if McGoo makes $15/hr, even though they dont add $15/hr worth of value, and I am making $32/hr even though I save my company millions every year...

Then yeah, I want to be paid more. That's how it effects me.

Unlike the people you're attempting to defend, I have desirable skills. I am able to move from job to job because I know my skills are in demand.

It might make you feel good inside to think I'd be unemployed, but I've worked years at perfecting my craft, and companies pay me lots of money to entice me to use my skills.

On a side note... I dont have a college degree (yet). I'm just not a lazy piece of ****. So, along the lines of your argument, there is NOTHING stopping people from moving up in the world except themselves. I moved from making (per hour) $10.75, $16, $22, $32... in a matter of about seven years or so. If you want to throw in the OT I work (20 hours this week) and that time and a half... I'm making $48 an hour every hour past 40 hours.

I'm about to turn 31.

Crazy what can happen when you show up to work on time.

 

I like the VA, that is where I get my primary care, my meds and my eyeglasses. I also get all my diagnostics there. I just got my abdominal aortic sonogram done a few months ago. After my heart scan last year, they sent it to my private outside cardiologist for his exam whom I go to every other year. I just like another set of eyes on it as most people do. Last year I had a hole in my retinal wall, that I decided to be proactive on, they had the eye surgeon affiliated with Warren Alpert School at Brown U perform the same day surgery procedure.

 

Ill support it. $1000/mo pays my mortgage. I could spend all day hunting/gardening for food and lumbering for energy and contribute absolutely nothing to society. Essentially it'll just subsidize my real estate for me. Kinda like homesteading, except it'll be in the middle of a neighborhood.

The only problem will be when lots of other folks do this as well, and no one has an income to tax from which to disperse the UBI. Govt will have to print the money, devaluing it down to nothing. Pretty soon your UBI will only buy ramen noodles, but mine will still cover my mortgage

 

You are so insecure that you value yourself and your contributions based on a fast food worker or the person whose lack of skills requires him to clean toilets to support himself and his family now makes 40% of what you make? I was in eng and then tech sales which is getting paid for performance and for which I was thankful that I was somewhat successful. I did not get my degree until my late 30s also. But if I ever told my boss I wanted a higher compensation package because he gave the janitor a raise he would question my sanity.

When you go on job interviews and you discuss salary how do you bring up that you need to be paid at least twice what they pay the janitor or the cafeteria worker, if you find out the janitor makes 17 bucks and you only make 32 do you renegotiate?

 

Why?

 

Until states start passing laws requiring bad faith "lets make this fail by not working" folk work because this is paid by the states though indirect tax. Those poor red states having to pay out of pocket for their citizens. As its per capita population not State GDP can't have Red state leeching off Blue states rights

 

at 30 grand you would struggle in any of the major cities, out side of the major cities you could live on 30,000 which was about 1/3rd of what I made when I worked.

 

I dont. I point to my track record of saving companies millions of dollars...

And if they dont offer me enough, I say no thanks.

Its really that easy when you're presence benefits the company.

I dont need to point out that the janitor adds minimal value and that I add 100x that. The proof is in the pudding and my salary offers tend to reflect that.

Typically the people interviewing me also happen to be business savvy and dont make decisions based off emotions or feelings.

Truth is, if you want to give the janitor a raise for doing nothing, itd be stupid of me not to demand a raise for doing nothing as well. That's how you get ahead in life, by recognizing your value. Of course if I'm working 60 hours a week and saving companies 7 digits a year I would expect that any sort of increase to salaries would go to me first.

It's not selfish. Its reality.