This is the PERFECT replacement for the welfare system.

She left me a while back cuz I was working too much.

 

I never had that problem, my wife is always willing to give me a Kiss goodbye!

 

We pay as much for government Medicare, Medicaid, and Veteran's benefits, as other developed nations pay for their entire healthcare spending. Also, most hospitals are actually public hospitals and yet their costs keep going up wildly. We spend 1.1 trillion to cover 30% of the population in Medicare, Medicaid, and Veteran's and its difficult for me to believe that we will cover the other 70% and spend less than .9 trillion doing it.

Simply making healthcare public isn't by itself a magic bullet to lowering costs, you just shift the costs to taxpayers. Other developed nations have cost reducing measures, like price controls, healthcare pay limits, cost-effective public hospitals, waiting lists for expensive procedures, and much more. You have to point to something into the Medicare for all plan that will significantly cut costs and so far I have only seen the drug price negotiation which at best will only save 200 billion.

Here what all the studies into Medicare for all say:
Friedman: Medicare for all - 2.76 trillion, out of pocket 117 billion. Drug cost reduction 31%.
Mercatus: Medicare for all - 3.46 trillion, other healthcare spending 59 billion, out of pocket 55 billion, 77 billion Medicaid, other government health insurance 149 billion.
Rand Corporation: Medicare for all - 3.24 trillion, other health spending 506 billion, out of pocket 66 billion, other government health insurance 81 billion. Drug cost reduction 11%.
Thorpe: Medicare for all - 3.2 trillion, other health spending 576 billion, private heath insurance 130 billion, Medicaid 210 billion, other government health insurance 149 billion, out of pocket 40 billion. Drug cost reduction 4%.
Urban Institute: Medicare for all - 3.87 trillion, other health spending 514 billion, other government health insurance 149 billion. Drug cost reduction 20%.
Balhous: Drug cost reduction 12%.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...re-for-all-bernie-sanders-cost-estimates.html

So I'm actually being very generous by saying that total healthcare spending will be 3 trillion for Medicare for all, and drug cost reductions will be 50% and 200 billion.

That is 1K per month, but per year it is 12K. 12K times 250 million people is 3 trillion.

We will be in very big trouble if we completely eliminate our military. Currently we spend about 989 billion when you lump in defense budget, CIA, FBI, military research, military retirement, VA, etc. What would you reduce this number to and what would you cut to do this?
https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320

Then I guess you won't be doing student debt forgiveness, free daycare, green new deal, reparations, and a jobs guarantee.

 

Unskilled workers are worth very little to most of their potential employers. That is why they are not working.

 

12*250=3000 add 6 zero is 3'000(000'000)

That GOP edumication

 

12,000 * 250,000,000 = 3,000,000,000 or 3 trillion. I'm actually a left-leaning moderate, not close to being GOP. Copy and paste these numbers into google or a calculator if you don't believe me.

 

Yes its 3 trillion we have a 20T GDP thats only 15 flat tax

You wrote Billion btw

Do you support the military and wars? If yes then you are not left wing if no then you are.

 

I'm not left wing, I am a moderate centrist who leans left. There are some parts of the military spending we can't eliminate like retirement benefits to veterans, and VA (unless it is rolled into Medicare for all).

I think we can cut total military spending, intelligence, and military benefits spending in half from almost 1 trillion to 500 billion, and that is a crazy cut that most experts would consider to be insane. So lets say -.5 trillion for military cuts, give me another number if you disagree. Medicare for all will take total government healthcare spending from 1.1 trillion to 3.5 trillion (2.4 trillion increase) according to multiple studies. Your welfare cuts will be another -.45 trillion.

So we have 4.75 (current) + 3 (UBI) + 2.4 (Medicare for all) - .5 (military) -.45 (welfare) = 9.2 trillion. With 3.65 trillion in federal revenue we will need 5.55 trillion in new taxes plus the 3.65 trillion we already pay federally and the 2.2 trillion we pay for state and local.

Now you mention a 15% flat tax. Currently we have 13 trillion in personal income. That is only 1.95 trillion in revenue assuming no loopholes, the poor are equally taxed, no tax deductions, no tax avoidance, and no economic recession from taking away 2 trillion from the private economy.

We currently have 3.65 trillion in federal revenue and 2.2 trillion in state revenue. So we will need another 5.55 trillion in new taxes.

 

My proposal for both UBI and Medicare for all would be flat taxes on the states, bill split up per capita population. They could opt out paying it but then their whole population gets dropped off of it. Each state having cards that identify their state of residency and use of those would simply be denied if the state did not pay.

That is the only way I see the whole country moving towards it. Have some states use it and be far better off than the others who do not use it. It is easy to be against it until Uncle Joe is no longer having to pay for healthcare and gets $1000 in free cash, people will want it.

VA would be moved into Medicare for all.

Cosmetics, or any other procedure that is about looks would not be covered under Medicare for all.

Military budget, one time payment of 500B in reserve for if the country needs it aka if directly attacked, in which case all able bodied individuals would be called to take up arms. Ending the wars of aggression.

 

Yes, people will get $12,000 in free cash and mostly free healthcare but to pay for all this we will need a 40% flat tax on all individuals and businesses, given that a 15% flat tax will only get us 2 trillion of 5.5 trillion needed. This in in addition to the 3.6 trillion in current federal taxes and 2.2 trillion in state and local taxes. This will be absolutely destructive to businesses and almost all of them don't have profit margins anywhere near 40%. You will see a ton of businesses and wealthier individuals get their money out of the country asap.

We will also need to increase taxes further over the next 10 years to help pay for natural increases in healthcare cost, social security, and interest on the debt. Probably another 2.5 trillion total all told. Some of this will be supported by a naturally growing economy, but I'm not sure how well the economy will grow when we suck out 5 trillion from the private sector, lay off our military, lay on a new layer of taxes on the wealthy and businesses, and shake up the healthcare sector.

Currently cosmetics aren't covered by most public or private insurance and the studies I listed do separate the costs covered by Medicare for all from all the other costs. If you look at Medicare for all + other government healthcare expenses, its about 3.5 trillion for government costs according to these studies. If you move these other government healthcare spending into Medicare for all, we are just moving it into another government bucket without doing much to reduce overall cost.

Even if we eliminate the military completely, that is still 8.7 trillion in total government spending and 5 trillion in new taxes needed. We have obligations to help veterans with healthcare, education, and retirement so we are still at 200 billion, probably more for all the benefits for all the military and intelligence people we are firing. We also have a lot of existing military equipment that needs to be maintained and if we don't maintain it, we will have to spend that whole 500 billion rushing to fix our military equipment. We will also need to fire all our intellience agents, generals, and soldiers and if there is a situation, we will need to hope they come back from their private jobs and retrain them. Since we have abandoned our military research, China will easily pass us in research and will have a technological advantage. They will be able to easily dominate Asia and Taiwan is certainly gone with South Korea and Japan at risk. Your solution is very radical and even weak military socialist countries that depend on our military for protection spend at least 1% of the economy on the military.

I'd also like to mention that your proposal completely misses progressive proposals to pay off the student debt (1.6 trillion) and a green new deal that AOC wants to spend 1 trillion a year on.

 

If people don't make a living wage, then they die, right? Because dying is the opposite of living, correct?

So, where are all the bodies of the people who didn't make a living wage? It must be a pretty tall pile.

 

What happens to the people who spend their $1000/month on drugs and booze, rather than food and rent? All other forms of welfare have been eliminated, so are those people left out on the street to die? If the answer is "No", then all forms of welfare have not been eliminated, and we're right back to where we started, but the government is now handing out free booze and drug money.

 

But all that is over now that so many businesses have shifted to part-time minimum wage jobs so they can avoid paying for benefits. NOW minimum wage jobs are a much higher percentage of jobs that people take (8%) in order to have at least that much income to live on. The average age of a fast food employee in the United States is 29 1/2 years. -
https://www.census.gov/
Times have changed.
BTW, it's unseemly to suggest that a poster holds a position because he is suffering the conditions he is complaining about.

 

The flat tax is on the STATE government, so the state can tax people how ever they need to pay it off.

Actually one cost would be taken down, no psychiatric treatment for those suffering war trauma because I hate war.

Yeah that would be my plan just up and fire everyone from the military and remove the benefits they "earned" including being a protected status so that if they have PTSD they can be fired for being an burden to work with.

As for student debt, all private loans would be forgiven much like the slavery debt and no one would have to pay, public loans would be paid back under a simple monthly payment split over 30 (max) years so its small enough to pay.

They can get private help, but yeah the government would not treat anyone who OD-ed on non prescription drugs

 

Okay, now go sell that to the Democrats. A plan where everyone who wastes their UBI money, is then abandoned by the government, and left to starve in the gutter. Good luck with that.

Oh, and what happens to the children of the abandoned? Do they get to accompany mom and dad to Gutterville? Because it's wrong to split up families, right?

 

did you just compare children being separated at the boarder to being separated because the parent is dead?

The children go to the closest relative or to the God Parents.

 

$1,000/month is?
Also, bullshit. You can absolutely live on minimum wage. It's not going to be a luxurious lifestyle, but you can live.

 

I think everybody realizes this. The problem is that when lefties talk about a "living wage", they think it's universally understood that this means being able to afford to live in a house, eat out a few times a week, have the latest iphone, and drive a late model prius.

I think they're just a little bit embarrassed to get into the technical details of what they mean, so they deal in vague generalities and hope the rest of us are understanding enough to fill in the blanks.

 

A lot of people work multiple full time jobs, and still can't afford to cover the cost of living.

 

1k plus minimum

 

A single payer system would put healthcare in the hands of government stooges which is just as bad as allowing corporations to run it without regulations.

 

Multiple full time jobs? So they do 9 to 5 at their daytime job and then moonlight from 6 to 2 at a bar?

Where exactly are these people trying to live? They might need to relocate to a more affordable location.

 

Lol. Here in 'Murica, you need to work 80 hrs/week if you want things like food and healthcare.

 

It's not so easy if you have dependents or health problems. And if you're hourly and your employer cuts hours, you need to use credit cards to cover rent and bills, and surely you're aware of the insane interest rates on credit cards.

Consider yourself lucky. The fact that you even need to ask this question--that you can't even imagine having to work like a dog--means you should stop mocking those in such a position.

 

Agreed it's a shitty situation but we all have had equal opportunity offered to us via public education. Life without an education is destined to be difficult and comes a time when people have to stop blaming the government for their own bad decisions. Some of us came from humble beginnings, struggled but stayed in school after which we worked our asses off to make a better life. It's so damned hard but not impossible.