Does anyone support these elements of creationism?

my mom just passed and while cleaning up out her house i found a creationist book
The great dinosaur mystery and the bible
Published by the institute for creation research

The cover shows a little boy cavorting with friendly dinosaurs
Inside it tell how Noah took dinosaurs on his ark
How all the fossils in the world were created by the flood
How the flood was world world wide
And how the flood was from vast emissions of subterranean water
A flood So large that every mountain in the world was Submerged

This is what creationist teach their children
Is there anyone on this forum that wishes to defend this as other than lunacy?

 

I highly doubt that even the most hardcore Christian will step forward on this one....maybe the grand canyon one, but not this.

 

Lunacy is believing nothing x nobody = everything.

 

What's the title and who's the author?

 

The Answer Book for Kids vol. II - 22 questions on dinosaurs and noah's flood by Hamm and Bogie.

And then there's this from the creationist museum.

https://creationmuseum.org/dinosaurs-dragons/live-with-humans/



perfect example of faith trumping fact, science be damned.

 

The great dinosaur mystery... and the bible
By paul s taylor
Published by master book publishers
Copyright 1987

If you have doubts, i can take a picture of the text in question

 

Man and dinos lived at the same time
Page 16

 

We learn about dinos on the ark. Page 33

 

Desperate avoidance and blatant straw men = this post.

 

So you believe all this stuff?

 

Yet believing in something as illogical as a deity with no beginning isn't crazy?

 

No creationist I ever met taught their children that.

How old is this book? What age group is it for? Is it written for children that also enjoy talking trains and dogs bigger than houses?

Are you maybe making a big deal out of nothing...?

 

I have the book sitting here beside me
With a recommendation from henry m morris, phd, president of the creation institute

Copyright 1987.... but in any case, has the biblical truth changed?

Children 4 and up

I am just asking about a book
Are you saying it is not representative of creationist views?
And if so in what way


The following from the institute for creation research wen site

God had told Noah to bring pairs of each kind of land animal on board the Ark, including, evidently, the dinosaurs (7:15). Recognizing that as reptiles, dinosaurs would have continued to grow as long as they lived, implying that the oldest would be the largest, there was plenty of room on board the Ark for the younger ones. Thus the dinosaurs on board the Ark probably would have been young adults, no bigger than a cow perhaps. But the world after the Flood was much different than before, with much less vegetation and a colder, harsher climate, and evidently the dinosaurs gradually died out. Perhaps they were even hunted to extinction, as would be indicated by the many legends of dragons, the descriptions of which closely resemble dinosaurs.

At any rate, Biblical history has an explanation for dinosaurs, their creation, life-style, and extinction. Christian parents are encouraged to use them to teach Biblical truth.

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So, what exactly do you claim that i am misrepresenting?

And on the other hand, if i am not misrepresenting.... why do you say i am making a big thing about nothing? Shouldn’t we be concerned about parents teaching these ideas to their children an representing it as biblical truth?

 

A God who can create the universe has the power to flood the Earth with waters and send the water away and cloak the evidence if He so desires so why would I not believe the Biblical account as its written in the Bible?

 

Thank you for the confirmation that these are the ideas of creationists

 

Apparently not, since another poster confirmed these are accurate representations of creationism

A God who can create the universe has the power to flood the Earth with waters and send the water away and cloak the evidence if He so desires so why would I not believe the Biblical account as its written in the Bible?
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Perhaps you will care to dispute this poster?

 

The Biblical account written in the Bible is not the account written in your moms book. Your moms book is but one potential interpretation of whats written in The Bible (one of the simpler, less likely, less logical, but more entertaining ones for children, i should add). Its not much different than history books written for children that gloss over the more complicated or boring parts to the point of technical innaccuracy.

The Bible doesnt mention dinosaurs beyond 'behemoth' and 'great beast' which could be dinosaurs, or far more likely could just be an elephant or a rhinocerous or an alligator...

The dinosaur book seems pretty obvious to me to be a 'make reading about the Bible more fun' kinda book. Not a 'this is important stuff to know' kinda book.

 

I do not claim to be an expert in biblical interpretation.... but it seems to me that if you have a book that is THE WORD OF GOD, that book should be unambiguous.... if you gotta interpret it! It seems hard to be sure that you are excluding subjectivity

I presented a qute from their web site.... in which it seems clear that this is actually what these adults think is true

Yes, but isn’t it possible to make similar criticism of quite a lot of the bible?

Well, imo this is an illustration of the most literalist vein of biblical interpretation.... such people who believe that you can use the bibles genealogy to arrive at certainty that the world is less than 100,000 years old.... is that what you believe?

Imo, at least these particular creationists are being absolutely true to their belief of what the bible is. When you start throwing out stuff that you find unimportant.... then it seems to me that you are on a slippery slope of subjective relativism

In any case, what would you dispute in their Views?
Was there actually a worldwide flood that extinguished all life except for what was on the ark? Because, there are multiple scientific proofs that this absolutely did not happen... leaving aside any disputes about the origin of life, evolution, or natural selection.... the noahs ark story just did not happen

 

I think we're in agreement on Biblical literalists. Much of it seems metaphorical to me. The necessary result, I suspect, of attempting to depict spiritual dynamics to beings that percieve entirely or almost entirely in a physical reality.

I don't think the Bible was ever meant to provide hard facts. Not the New Testament anyway (which is Christianity, the OT is Judaism, and studied by Christians mainly for contextual purposes). I think it was meant to provide a foundation on which we're to build our own code.

 

I believe in a literal Noah, like Jesus did, if that's what you're asking.

How did the first non-life become life?

 

Lets say there is some creative force that did this. Why must this be the biblical god? Why would such an entity care about anything having to do with abrahamic religion? Even assuming that there is a creative force, how do we know that he cares for us.... or made a covenant with israel?

 

It is indeed . Evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection. The theory of evolution is based on the idea that all species are related and gradually change over time. It doesn't attempt to explain the origin of life at all. That would be abiogenesis.

 

Christianity is wasted on some people.

 

I take it you can't answer my question of how the first non-life became life? If you don't know, shouldn't the God-hypothesis be on the table? Some are honest enough to see the evidence for design and propose that life came from outer space, which only kicks the can down the road but at least they're honest. A simple cell has as much information as several sets of encyclopedias, where have we ever seen information that wasn't put there by intelligence?

 

Paul
Not so very long ago someone might have asked whether i could explain lightning and earthquakes.... and absent an explanation claim this to be proof of god.

The absence of an explanation proves nothing. a theist fantasy offered as an alternative to my ignorance does not become more likely just because i cannot “answer your question”

I am willing to leave that hypothesis on thr table
But dismiss the assertion that this god intentionally designed life, in this tiny spot in a vast universe.... and then decided to make a covenant with a tiny tribe, and then sent his son to be killed, so that he could forgive misbehavior that could not possibly be his concern

. Lets say there is a celestial creator/designer
I see no reason why he could not have set life in motion as a sort of experiment.... in which evolution was set loose just to see what happens. Given the evidence around us, i see no reason to believe that each bit of life we see was intentionally crafted.

When i see a rainbow

 

So I am expected to answer how an omniscient, omnipotent God does miracles, something I've never claimed to be able to do, but you can't explain how the first non-life became life, something we've never observed? It is foundation to your evolutionary theories, and as silly as saying that given enough time a tornado can go through a junkyard and produce a fully functioning, ready for takeoff jet plane. And you would still have to explain where the stuff in the junkyard came from.

 

This thread was asking if anyone supports certain elements of creationism...
. Like that dinosaurs lived in the same ere as mankind

I make no claims in this thread but ask for clarity about creationism

Lets focus on the claims of creationism