Sometimes Evil wins.

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    July 4 1776 was a day of hope! Hope for freedom for hundreds of thousands of slaves. They would have been freed by George III after Rebellion was crushed.

    Battle of Yorktown meant that Freedom would not be seen by that generation.

    In 2019, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ have much more humane systems then USA. All people who need help do get it.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The US has the greatest number of incarcerated people of any nation on Earth. We pride ourselves on being a free country and are a Gulag. The majority of those incarcerated are for non-violent crimes and a shockingly large number are serving time for offenses that are now legal.
     
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    This is true. The US criminal injustice system is a money-making enterprise run by big business who buy politicians.
     
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    George III was an imperialist and a psychotic tyrant, and the UK and its ruling elites have always been brutal, and historically racist thugs. Some progress was made since 1911, but the UK is in rapid decline.
    Most of Canada is rather nice because it is - well, empty. Canada exists because Russia thinks that if they decided to snatch it some weekend when they had nothing better to do the US just might nuke them
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Foolish insanity.

    Why do you post and embarrass yourself?
     
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    Bad timing for any Brit to bring up the end of the UK slave trade.

    “Any lingering complacency after the 2007 bicentenary celebrations of the abolition of the English Slave Trade Act was misplaced,” Judge Mary Stacey told Birmingham crown court.

    “The hard truth is that the practice continues, here in the UK, often hiding in plain sight.”
    THE GUARDIAN, Charity and police break up UK's largest modern slavery ring, By Ben Quinn, 5 Jul 2019.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...lice-break-up-uks-largest-modern-slavery-ring
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How is it foolish or insanity?

    It might not have worked out that way, but it very well could have.
     
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    Actually it's just the opposite when the recipients are, and as part of the wealth transfer process are encouraged to be, parasites.
    Fat lotta good that's gonna do.
     
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    In Russia, serfs where held up until almost the time of the Revolution. Serfs are like slaves. It can be argued that the Bolsheviks gained control of Russia as they did, because most people, the peasants had the mentality of serfs, or slaves.
     
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    Shut up commie. Want to tell us all about the gulags there comrade?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not the issue. The problem is we incarcerate far more on a per capita basis.
     
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    No they couldn't've. Support of the pro-slavery south was necessary to fight the Brittish. If we'd have lost the revolution, we still would've had slavery because it was legal in Brittain until 1830's.
     
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    Stop. Check numbers before making assumptions. Check facts before manufacturing your own.
    Fix brain. Calibrate brain.. Double check calibration Think about what to say, and how you will look.
    Then, if you must.... Open mouth.
    Be sure and wash your feet first so you don't give yourself something nasty.

    About 40K people died by firearms in 2017, and that includes suicides, and all varieties of death involving a firearm.
    About 40K died in auto accidents.
    About 80K people died from drug overdose.

    To keep this in perspective- 600K people died from cancer. Even more from heart disease.
    170k died from unintentional injuries.
    160K from lower respiratory disease.
    121K from Alzhiemers.
    83K from diabetes.
    56K from influenza & pneumonia.
    51K from nephritus / nephorosis
    Intentional suicide: 47,173.... and that includes people who commited suicide by gun.

    Seems we have a lot of bigger fish to fry.

    And while you are solving all these problems by having government provide for us-
    WHO IS HELL IS GOING TO PROVIDE WHAT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO THAT? YOU, of course. You pay them to pay you...??? Circular welfare???

    There IS NO FREE MONEY- ONLY YOURS AND MINE.

    Nature rewards those who take care of themselves- but no those who think they can control others or make others pay their way.
     
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    The world owes me a living
    I've waited on this dole queue too long
    I've been standing in the rain for fifteen minutes
    That's a quarter of an hour too long

    I'll take all they can give me
    And then I'm gonna ask for more
    'Cause the money's buried deep in the bank of England
    And I want the key to the vault

    I'm gonna take your money
    Count your loss when I'm gone
    I'm alright, Jack
    I'm lookin' after number one

    If I want something, I get it
    Don't matter what I have to do
    I'll step on your face, on my mother's grave
    Never underestimate me I'm nobody's fool

    I don't owe nobody nothing
    'Cause it's me that must come through
    Why don’t you stop, think, look, babe
    I always get what I want and I wanna get you

    I'm gonna take your money
    Count your loss when I'm gone
    I'm alright, Jack
    I'm lookin' after number one

    -Boomtown Rats
     
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    You do know you've repeatedly listed four countries that exist today because of the protection of the United States.

    Who do you suggest extend the same to the United States?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The British promised freedom to any slave who fought for them. I don't know if any did or if the Brits kept the promise after the war.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Serfdom in Russia was formally abolished in the 1860's. This led to a lot more problems that many thought it would because the serfs weren't ready for it. One guy said that the problem was the contrast between the 19th century and the ninth. Right up until the Revolution one of the main problems the Revolutionaries had with working with peasants was that the peasants would nearly invariably turn them in.

    Slavery in the US Antebellum South was a different type than had ever existed in the world before or since. A book, The Peculiar Institution by Kenneth Stampp describes how this was so in some detail
     
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    We also have far more crime on a per capita basis.
     
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    You are supposed to look after number one. Not at the expense of others, but because you are the person put here to tend to your own needs- and until you start blaming others for your shortfall and demanding they take care of you, it is not only appropriate, it is your first responsibility in life, just as it is in mine- and IF everyone did that, nobody would be in need or preying on others. I want others to do well- because they then do not need to become parasites, they contribute and help. HOWEVER I CANNOT MAKE THEM CONTRIBUTORS BY DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM, making it unnecessary for them to do for themselves- indeed, that is extremely harmful to them.

    Your little script is the code of the thief, not of the right. But the people who seek to live off others justify that code because to them- it's easier to steal than to produce, and morals won't be allowed to stand in the way.

    Taking care of yourself does not mean abusing others. The left wants to say that anybody who is rich stole from the poor. Pure, unadulterated hogwash. People who are rich, in general- came up with a way to produce a product or service that other people wanted, and those people bought that product or service based on their own decision of need and what it was worth to them.
    The fact that the people who bring those benefits to a society is totally dependent on pleasing the customer seems to have evaded your observation.
     
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    This is nonsense for profit prisons are less than 5% of the total and declining. The overwhelming majority of states don't even have one.
     
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    Much of it self induced.
     
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    An at best debatable proposition.
     
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    Can you cite the source you learned that from?
     
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    You mean "victimless" crime, which many say should not be crimes at all?

    It's very telling to me that many conservatives view the above fact about our high incarceration as indicating our government is functioning well, as if the main purpose of government is to imprison as much of the population as they can.
     
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