Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Why?

    What is wrong with the concept of matter/energy eternally existing? We KNOW that matter/energy exists because we ARE comprised of some of the MOST COMMON elements in the universe. The Laws of Physics stipulate that matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed therefore matter/energy is eternal in one form or another.

    We and are universe are just the CURRENT FORM of matter/energy at this place and time.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Amongst those ancient Qumran scrolls is where James, the brother of Jesus, calls Paul the "man of the lie" because it was a blasphemous violation punishable by death for any jew to call themselves the "son of god". In essence Jesus's own brother is denying that he ever claimed to be the "son of god" and that Paul was LYING about him.

    http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/dead_sea_scrolls.htm

     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The only thing that exists that is eternal is matter/energy therefore your "godhead" must be just another name for matter/energy.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Your bible is FULL of psychic predictions that are 90% wrong and the rest are "vague or could be explained by chance or by a general knowledge".

    The onus is entirely on you to PROVE that those biblical psychic predictions are NOT 90% wrong and/or "vague or could be explained by chance or by a general knowledge".

    Cherry picking which psychic predictions to believe while disparaging all others requires substantiation which has not been provided.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Theists can never admit to being wrong or accept that new knowledge exposes the fallacies of their beliefs.

    Sagan was a SCIENTIST who would not have had any problem with being proven wrong and would have accepted the new knowledge that was built upon rectifying his misconception.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Which opens up the Pandora's Box of questions that theists cannot answer.

    For instance why did their god "create" lions to have the teeth and bodies of carnivores if he only wanted them to graze on plants? Isn't that evidence that their omniscient creator already knew beforehand that Adam and Eve would "sin" which makes what happened in the garden of eden entrapment?

    The lions were just as doomed to be "sinners" by being created as carnivores as were Adam and Eve being "created" with brains that were curious about knowledge.
     
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    all I have seen so far is a thread with many questions that neoatheists duck dodge and ignore because they cant answer them, because the answers expose how they defy all logic and reason.

    Like the religion they created for themselves by faithfully believing that no G/god(s) exist, 100% in contradiction of all that logic and reason they brag about.

    and btw lions operate based upon nature, they act by instinct, the same core nature that neoatheists advance their atheology, adam and eve on the other hand being an advanced species operated above nature and had a 'choice' and the 'free will' to choose between nature and the supernatural.

    So why not explain why neoatheists atheology defies all logic and reason and pretend otherwise?
     
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    Still ducking i see.

    And here is the definition of tautology. I assume you are using the term as it applies to logic so indeed than you for supporting my statement.

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    tau·tol·o·gy
    /tôˈtäləjē/
    noun
    1. the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession ).
      synonyms: repetition, repetitiveness, repetitiousness, reiteration, redundancy, superfluity, periphrasis, iteration, duplication; More
      • a phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words.
        plural noun: tautologies
      • LOGIC
        a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Because in order for a person to not believe in something they should first know what they are not believing in.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For creationists, I am forever amused by their laughable mischaracterizations of prominent scientists who have articulated their findings, beliefs and opinions in great detail, often repeatedly.
     
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    Sorry if this question has already been asked. Do you think or wonder from time to time that you could be wrong and there really is a God?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I'm wrong and there really is a god, I'd be incredibly angry at it, as I burned in all eternity for the arbitrarily sinful life of an average human being. Course I'd be delighted that all those sexual predators operating in the name of their lord got theirs bigly, but that would only be a minor salve.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I leave open the option that there may be something I would call God as I simply do not know....I do however know it is not the stuff we humans made up.
     
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    Mans and religious leaders teachings, orations, and understandings aside, what do you think about Jesus's sermons, his words and concepts? I assume you have read or are acquainted with them. Do they make any sense at all to you? Do you think they are designed to elevate man, or in concept, ascend to the divine? Do you find them inspiring or in line with your conscience and judgment in any way?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like the concept of Jesus, but Christians not so much. I also believe the Christ is more fable than reality and the stories created to define him are impossibility at best. If by chance Christians paid attention to and adhered to the teachings of Jesus then I doubt anyone except Muslims would have a problem...unfortunately they do not. I have found these people to be the most dishonest and angry people I have had to deal with.
     
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    The Muslims or the Christians?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christians...I tend to avoid Muslims whenever I see them.
     
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    It is only logical that religious scriptures contain wisdom and insight into the human condition. It is after all a compendium of explanations for all that is good and wonderful in this sweet paradise and all that is eternally evil.

    Which is why so many of Christ's teachings are different expressions of "why can't we all get along? Here's how".
     
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    Oh, please. This has been asked and answered over and over again.

    I have an idea of unicorns. That doesn't mean I believe they exist - and it DEFINITELY doesn't mean they actually do exist.

    I've stated clearly what I don't believe in.
     
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    lol! Why is that? I don't have nearly enough time (let alone interest) to individually examine each god proposed by humans over the ages. And, my objection is that they all involve the supernatural - which I reject.

    Why would I need to know more than that?

    What additional factoid is necessary for me to know?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Good question. Last time I spoke to god I asked him if it bothered him that people like me don't believe in him and he just laughed and said that he much preferred atheists to those who pretend to believe that he exists. He told me that atheists stand on their own two feet and use the brains that he gave them to deal with their own lives and don't waste his time whining for stuff that he has no intention of ever providing.

    SCNR ;)
     
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    It would seem appropriate to at least thank him for giving you a brain and two feet, yeah? ;-)
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    Well say for instance that there was an extraterrestial race so far technically advanced that their technology would seem to be magic to humans. Would they be gods?
     
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    They may appear to be supernatural, but you don't suggest that they are.

    Our lack of knowledge doesn't cause gods - it can only make it seem like there are gods.
     
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    What part of their technology appearing to man as magic doesn't raise to the level of supernatural?
     

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