NRA RIP

If I knew you and you were my friend and I knew you weren't dying painfully and still wanted to commit suicide, I might. Hopefully, we'll never meet.

 

One is the result of a crime, the other is not. That is the difference. Suicides simply do not count, and there is no legitimate reason for including them under the umbrella term of firearm-related deaths.

 

So are you saying we should make decisions based on differing circumstances instead of dictating mandates across the board?

 

And these people you describe buy guns on the street with no regard for any gun laws.

 

Also Russia.

 

Obviously not. You are completely unaware of the NRA gun safety training.

 

On the face of it, that appears to be a wise course of action under most conditions, but I wonder how it applies here in any but the broadest sense.

 

But they are deaths and they are related to firearms. Truly, gun lovers have a strange view of language.

 

No, they take considerable pains not to get caught. Also they pay rather heavily for the gun.

 

Thanks for the reminder to renew my NRA membership. Much appreciated.

 

Do they advocate mandatory safety training for anyone buying a gun for the first time.

 

Criminals are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

How much do they pay for guns on the street ???

 

Do your homework.

 

More people are killed with guns in Chicago than my entire state.

 

The US and Canada have roughly the same suicide rate. We do with guns. They do it with less efficient means.

 

Why wouldn’t it apply the same as anything else? Weed, alcohol, etc? Punish offenders and leave responsible people alone.

If you care about health and safety you’d be a Prohibitionist first and tackle this issue later. Honestly, why is this issue on your radar? Alcohol factors more heavily into all crime and suicide much more than firearms. We let crazies and violent criminals buy and consume all the alcohol they want. Yet you would prefer to violate rights on this issue. Why?

Oh, I was going to ask why you hope we never meet? That’s a new twist I’ve not seen before.

 

i don't like seeing people get shot and you can't shoot someone with a gun that isn't there. Rights really shouldn't come into the matter as you don't ever have a right to hurt someone who's not trying to hurt you

I don't think I'd like to meet you because you have an unhealthy interest in guns and I have enough of that problem myself.

 

If dead is dead why do you care more about firearm deaths than others? You aren’t addressing my questions. Why guns when they are a minor problem compared to alcohol?

I’m truly sorry about your friend. But if I were to advocate against things based on that I’d be against motorcycles, farm machinery, and prescription meds because I’ve known people who took their lives with these things. I just don’t think we should make decisions on other people’s freedom on our emotions. It’s a very dangerous path to take.

Agree on non aggression principles. But that’s completely irrelevant to our discussion.

So it’s your opinion I have an unhealthy interest in guns. Because I couldn’t run my business successfully without them? Because I’ve never purchased a firearm I don’t have a practical use (need) for? Or because I believe in individual rights? I know it’s easy and fun to label everyone who owns firearms as a nut, extremist, or dangerous. But it isn’t reality any more than everyone who has a beer or smokes a joint is dangerous and unhealthy. If you want freedoms you must allow others their freedoms.

 

I don't generally like people who make a fetish about having guns, so shoot me.. I do have friends who hunt and have guns but they don't push the matter into my face. You also appear to be a political conservative and maybe even a Trumper. I don't count any of them among my friends and I don't want any. That could be my loss as many of them might be very nice and even interesting people. I don't care, conservatives follow a politics I find repugnant and Trumpers admire one of the most utter boors and discourteous bullies it has been my displeasure to employ as President. I see no good reason to cultivate such people as friends.

 

There are millions of guns on the street. They are there and readily accessible to anyone who wants to commit a crime including gang members in Chicago. These people could care less about gun laws.

 

Self defense is a fetish ????

How is your reading coming ??? You committed to read the two books I recommended on how diversity makes the US weaker. I have some titles on guns as well and am looking forward to your references.

In the meantime what are these new gun laws that will solve the problem of criminals committing crimes with illegal guns ???

 

Remind me of the books again, I forgot. Though maybe not. I find that general argument to be ahistoric in the extreme having studied America and find books that use sophistry to advance a thesis that is usually just bigotry with specious backing to be tiresome. I have enough problems reading books that I actually want to.

There aren't any new gun laws that would do what you think gun laws should do to be valid. There aren't any laws of any kind that would do that and so you conclude that there should be no laws on guns since the laws on them CAN be broken. By that "logic" we shouldn't have laws at all. Maybe you're a libertarian too?

 

I don’t want your friendship. I want you to think rationally about an issue that is important to my livelihood. I’m weary of emotional people wanting to curtail freedoms. And I’m frustrated they keep it up even when they have no logical explanation for it.

I’m thankful though for posts like yours that demonstrate the vacuousness of your position on the subject.

The classic fallback position to “Trumper” in a conversation with someone who didn’t even vote for him is an added bonus. Pure gold. I’d rather you had cogent answers to my questions but I guess this will suffice.

 

I think that "you can't shoot someone with a gun that isn't there" is a perfectly rational statement. Do you think that you can?

 

And another is added to the list who are not interested in educating themselves. My list is long.

You argue for new gun laws but have no explanation of what those new gun laws would be. Congratulations. Two lists in one post.