So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet

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  1. Giftedone

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    No doubt that their immigration policies are a disaster. This however has nothing to do with why our leader should be visiting Germany.

    And Germany did not contribute more money towards NATO - all they did was commit to some target - target's they never meet - and never intend to meet. It is all a show - just like Trump yapping about greater NATO contributions is a show.

    The reason to visit Germany is for economic and political reasons as they are an extremely important nation in the world. Liaising with and maintaining good relations with such nations is part of the job description.

    Unfortunately - Trump has chosen to try to club our allies into submission over the Iran sanctions. This has resulted in a deterioration of relations and US hegemony in general - a big blunder on the geopolitical chessboard.
     
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    I expect a contest - The Wicked Witch of the West - between her and Hillary Clinton.
    To tell you the truth, I don't know who did more damage - Clinton or Merkel.

    Both suck and both are falling apart.
     
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    Merkel made Germany a superpower. I give her that, she made a mistake in 2015 but corrected it. She now has far harder anti migrant policies running than Trump.
     
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    Honestly, Sobo, why should he? You wanna compare it to Kohl - Reagan? Rofl. Kohl and Reagan shared some values and their relationship was baes on mutual appreciation of each other. Merkel lessoned him and wanted to set the setting a teacher naughty pupil - relationship, which he punishes with ignoring her and to take her not serious. The responsibility for breaking up US-German relationship is 100% on Merkel.

    Furthermore you yourself should be consequent, if you wanna vote Merkel out why are you demanding from foreign leaders she insulted or abused to pretend now sunshine? Why should Trump, Salvini, Orban or anyone else of the countless leaders leaders she ruined her relationship with just to be the darling of the rotten-leftist press now help her create the pictures of a successful and internationally respected leader which could bring her or AKK +10-15% in the next election?

    Trump simply doesn't care about the critics about his politics she wanna share with him. He is well advised to do so!
     
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    Merkel is history in 2 years. Trump breaks with Germany, not Merkel.
     
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    And is he wrong with it? Do you think Robert Habeck will change the course of Merkel or AKK will? Germany will follow a green-feminist-anit-White policy for decades as currently nobody except the AFD is both willing to change and willing to break up with the leftist-media and change the course. Since then Trump can expect exact 0 from the relationships. If it's Habeck, AKK or Heiko Maas, they will lesson him to change the course of his politics offering nothing, demanding more.

    As soon as we would have a change like in Austria I am absolutely sure Trump would like to make a state visit, but why before? It's not in his interest to strenghten the madness which is going on here. Neither should it be in yours, as the course is set in stone if foreign leaders, especially in the US surrender to the pressure of anti-White-green-ecofeminist govermnets like in Sweden, Germany, Norway or New Zealand.

    The masses of the voters will re-think if there are painful consequenses of their votings, not a minute sooner.
     
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    Says me, pointing out the obvious.
     
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    What has Germany got that Trump wants?
     
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    He hasn't come to Canada for exactly the same reason. Nobody up here really wants him and we are even whiter than America. But many are hoping and wishing he does visit, so they can express exactly what they think of him to his face.

    Imagine being unwelcome in Canada. Its a truly high bar and Trump cleared the bar by a mile.
     
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    Money, expertise, large consumer market, massive regional influence, global issue support, strategic military alliance, just off the top of my head. NOthing of importance and certainly nothing that is worth trump's sensitive self image.
     
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    Germany represent Obama's way of thinking under Merkel, and the German auto industry represent competition in the American market in an EU hostile to buy American.
    On a personal note, Trump might hold a grudge against Germany for kicking out his family back in day like on a personal note he adores the Queen since his mother was Scottish and loved the Queen.
    Why should Trump care to visit Germany when he can visit Oban or the Queen? It doesn't make sense that he'd want to visit Germany, which, is fair since it'll put Germany in their place.
     
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    Who is likely to become chancellor? Mini-Merkel? Why not Thilo Sarrazin? Lol
     
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    Friedrich Merz has good chances
     
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    What position?
    I don't see any German influence anywhere around the globe.
     
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    It looks like 70 years have passed and nothing has changed in Germany.
    It makes me feel very sad indeed.
     
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    Yep makes no sense. After all its all about trump's personal viewpoint, not at all about America's leadership position in the rest of the world.

    Typical kind of facile bullshit explanation for yet another demonstration of how ignorant and incompetent Trump as President truly is.
     
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    Germany are ignorant like the EU; did you know there are no American agriculture or automotive products on the market in the EU, but in America EU ones are.
    It's no coincidence, it's the EU making regulations hostile towards American, not to mention the EU rejecting democracy in the EU parliament, why is it Trump is bad when EU and Germany treat the world and Europe like ****?
     
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    Huh? Trump is undermining the United States.
     
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    Oh yeah real hostile to america as they built the biggest economic engine in history. How simple do you think the world is? This transactional, selective parsing of multi-dimensional international relations is the stuff of the simple minded and the ignorant and the demagogic opportunist and dear leader trump fits all the criteria.
     
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    Of courss it makes you sad to have to deal with a ujited block of nations which a combined negotiation power. Would be sweet to push all your bad trade deals down the throat of weak nations like austria, slovenia, portugal ect...but...the evil germans! And evil french! They build a hnited block, that took trumps tariff threats, rolled them up and shoved it up into trumps ass. His eyes bulked out alot, when the combined market power of the EU did not buckle but pushed back.
     
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    Bullshit as usual. You can buy american cars in Germany. They are just not popular. Japanese cars and korean cars sell well here. American cars not. Why? Because they dont offer what sells on the market here.
     
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    Oh yoh should look just few km from Florida. There is an island called Cuba. Because Germany ignores your sanctions, this island does well since decades. The german blockade statute made it illegak for european companies to follow american sanctions in cuba
     
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    Germany isn't remotely a superpower by any possible standard.
     
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    We rule over a continent, are untouchable for others. Are a economic giant with gargantuan budget surplus. I think she did fine regarding that.
     
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    It is actually the other way around.
    There are a bunch of technocrats in Brussel that rules you.
    They say Jump! and you ask 'how high'.
     
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