Can abortion be compared with The Holocaust?

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Do the unborn feel emotional and / or physical pain during their abortion?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I always considered English and literature to be more enjoyable when done in the vernacular
     
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    How does that address :

    WHAT is it...a fetus MOVING ? Ya, DUH, they move.

    YOU are comparing THAT to what Jews suffered? How sick!!!


    OH you are squirming now!!!!!!!!

    Suddenly you switched from denigrating what non-Christians went through to the 9/11 victims, going off topic in your own thread !

    The thought that anyone could compare the unspeakable suffering, unimaginable terror and horror, and despicable acts that Jews and others went through in the Holocaust with the quick painless death of an entity that can't think or feel, hasn't even been born or experienced life, is quite despicable.


    AND is minimizing what Jews went through as if it wasn't much at all...…


    Seems there is a "problem" acknowledging what the Jews suffered (?????)

    Could it be that the Jews aren't "Christian" ???????
     
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    I'll repeat, the death of the average Jew by gassing or bullet was less painful than what today's unborn babies endure, being torn limb from limb. They wouldn't let you do that to a dog.
     
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    And I'll repeat for anyone who has NO idea of what Jews went through ( OR DON'T CARE!!!!!!)...and for those who didn't/ couldn't address the FACTS in the post of mine they quoted


    Fetal Pain?
    BULL, that's been disproven so many times.....those are reflex actions that any cell reacts to, NOT due to pain.

    AND WHERE do you find someone torturing fetuses throughout their lives?? NO where.



    Yes, by comparing the quick painless death of a fetus to the horror, continued torture, agony and life long effects of the Holocaust victims it IS minimizing what those BORN people went through.


    If it isn't the woman's body then she has all the more right to have it taken out!!!! NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another.

    AND if it isn't HER body then WHOSE IS IT? YOURS? THE Government's??

    If it's yours or the government's then YOU and the government should grow it and support it from conception to cradle to grave...


    No, it is HER body that Anti-Choicers wish to interfere with...




    The NAZIS TOOK AWAY JEWS RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ANT-CHOICERS WANT TO DO TO WOMEN.


    All human life is valuable except women's ( and brown children kept in cages and children on Welfare, and children who need health insurance and children killed in war, etc, etc, etc)....according to Anti-Choicers
     
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    Then why aren't you dedicating your whole life to stopping it?
     
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    Like to see that study.
     
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    DennisTate said:
    I've read studies that the type of people who participate on forums like politicalforum .com tend to be well educated on average and well above average income. You are correct though.... they could be extremely well informed on one or two topics but ignorant of other important fields of study.



    I think it was taken in a janitor's closet....
     
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    I'm doing what I can while supporting a family of four, I donate to pro-life causes, have participated in the DC right to life march, have enlightened my rector to this issue where he now preaches on it on Right to Life Sunday, and speak up on forums such as this in the face of those who endorse murdering the unborn.

    All human life is valuable, even fetus Capn Awesome.
     
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    I may have read it on Ezboard .com but I not certain because it was a long time ago.

    The following is somewhat relevant:


    How Money Changes The Way We Think And Behave

     
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    Or during one of my breaks when I might sneak away to a computer for a few moments?!
     
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    Why are you so desperately trying to change the topic? ;) Could it be you are FINALLY embarrassed ???

    YOU, again, are going off topic in your own thread...….

    Wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to admit you were wrong and bow out gracefully...
     
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    Personally... I am of the belief that I cannot really term myself to be "pro-life" if I have zero concern about climate change???

    I feel that a significant range of topic creep is perfectly understandable when that fact is taken into consideration. If I was a one issue voter / aspiring politician.... .......(see post #3 at this link : ).... I would be hypocritical if I only focused on being against feticide or abortion!
     
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    I have got to look that one up?????

    ... aha yes... I totally agree... (now that I have some idea of what you are attempting to say)!!!! (LOL!!)
     
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    NO, your topic was VERY specific (even has a specific poll)...….no "topic creep" can change that.






    Why are you so desperately trying to change the topic? ;) Could it be you are FINALLY embarrassed ???

    YOU, again, are going off topic in your own thread...….

    Wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to admit you were wrong and bow out gracefully...
     
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    What's truly appalling , but not surprising, is the lack of "Christians" responding to the denigration and minimalizing of what Jews went through in the Holocaust and correcting/upbraiding the OP poster.
     
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    And is that what your best moral self would be doing if you lived in Nazi Germany and were aware of the holocaust?

    "Well I'm doing what I can. I condemn it on online forums and donate a little money to try to stop it."

    Thats why even ardent pro-lifers don't actually believe the holocaust comparison.

    If they do it's actually far more disturbing for their moral character.
     
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    So you think that fetuses have the same number of pain receptors as full grown adults? Biology isn't obviously your strong suit.
     
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    Why are you surprised. They didn't do anything while it was happening.
     
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    But a foetus would not have to have one hundred percent of the total number of pain
    receptors to feel pain..... They could well feel a lot of pain even with fifty percent of
    the number of pain receptors of an adult.

    There is also the issue of us being more sensitive to pain when we are younger.......
    children cry over a seemingly small hurt whereas we adults can often suffer in relative silence even when we
    have been diagnosed with cancer or ALS or any number of painful conditions?
     
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    Dennis, I believe it to be a very good idea for you to spend a bit of time researching this topic and the biology of fetal development before trying to forward any further debate. Until you grasp what you are saying in some level of detail vs. repeating talking point propaganda you will come off as....uh...uninformed. It may also be beneficial to look into brain/nervous system coordination.
     
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    But they NEVER feel the pain of endless torture, having experiments performed on them without anesthetic, watch their families shot and gassed, have all their belongings stolen , they will never be starved to death, they will never be dumped into mass graves even if not dead, they will never suffer years of fear and persecution from those who THINK THEIR SUFFERING IS NOTHING.

    NO, a fetus will never feel what the Jews went through no matter how you dance around the FACT that you think they do. ...no matter how you minimize and denigrate what Jews went through....
     
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    True... but this idea also applies to you Sir.......
    because what I wrote is a very simple idea that I have seen evidence for in the past.......
    for example.... there is at least some evidence in support of the idea of many foetus' experiencing
    pain at seven or eight weeks.

    This concept is so simple......... that the burden of proof is on YOU AND ON FOXHASTINGS.....
    not really on me......... because you are presenting the idea that giving a foetus anesthetic at twenty weeks is unnecessary........

    I am of the belief that you and FoxHastings will experience off the scale guilt / shame during your Life Review
    if you continue on mindlessly with your astonishingly dangerous course of thought and writing!!!!

    Do you have any idea at all of the possible consequences of being a COLLABORATOR in an injustice that causes great suffering to millions of unborn Americans, Canadians and foetus' all over this earth?


    Do Fetuses Feel Pain? What the Science Says
    By Sara G. Miller, Staff Writer | May 17, 2016 05:22pm ET
     
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    What you have "Seen" and swallowed are Youtube propaganda pieces specifically designed to do exactly what they have. They take people who already have a mindset and push them even deeper into the activism intended by appealing to ignorance and emotion...we generally call that Propaganda. The perfect victim is someone like you....already a bit unstable and easily manipulated. You also do not want to research anything that might provide the education needed to break the spell.
     
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    But they NEVER feel the pain of endless torture, having experiments performed on them without anesthetic, watch their families shot and gassed, have all their belongings stolen , they will never be starved to death, they will never be dumped into mass graves even if not dead, they will never suffer years of fear and persecution from those who THINK THEIR SUFFERING IS NOTHING.

    NO, a fetus will never feel what the Jews went through no matter how you dance around the FACT that you think they do. ...no matter how you minimize and denigrate what Jews went through....








    Do you have any idea at all of the possible consequences of being a COLLABORATOR in an injustice that caused great suffering to millions of Jews all over this earth?
     

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