NRA RIP

At the time of the united states constitution being drafted, the phrase "well regulated" meant in good working order and functional. It did not have anything to do with firearm-related restrictions.

Even if it did, the phrase "well regulated" applied only to militia service, not private firearms ownership. The two were entirely separate from one another, and private firearm ownership could not legally be restricted in any way at the time.

Do try to keep up.

 

14,415 deaths in 2016 still seems like a rather overwhelming number to me

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000510/gun-suicide-homicide-comparison

 

Nonsense!

All that is required is for certain medications to be flagged and if a background search on SSN comes up with a match on one of those medications the application is denied and the person has the right to appeal the denial.

No one else knows anything at all.

 

All it takes is to sign a Consent form to release that information. Adding a Consent checkbox to an application to purchase a firearm is NOT a "bureaucratic nightmare"

 

Do try to stop misleading. Please provide proof that the phrase 'well-regulated' meant in good working order back then. I've never heard it used that way and I have examined many documents from that era.

 

Thank you for CONFIRMING that you do not understand the term.

Have a nice day!

 

I only wish it was that simple. I have been through it.

 

It is that simple because I have done it many times already.

 

So have I and it is a bureaucratic nightmare. Over my lifetime, I have probably seen more than a couple of dozen doctors. Some referred by my current doctor and some referred by previous doctors. Many from military hospitals that no longer exist. Those records may exist somewhere, but only God knows where. How do you propose that single box checked on that form to get out to all the right doctors? When it comes to referrals, my own doctor cannot give me copy of my own records, unless he was the one who treated me or referred me.

 

Because the medications are on an entirely different database to those of your personal records.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are saying that checking a single block on a form is going to miraculously go out to all the doctors I am seeing and have seen. I can't even remember who some of them are.

 

I will here

But then we have a better system than you do

 

No, I am NOT saying that.

What I said is that certain MEDICATIONS can be FLAGGED and a background check system can verify if those medications have been prescribed to a particular SSN in a background process. If they are then a DENIAL is returned for an application for a firearm.

The organizations that administer the MEDICATIONS have databases that have nothing at all to do with whichever doctor issued the prescription.

Providing a CHECKBOX consenting to verification against those flagged medications would NOT violate HIPAA since the reason for the denial would not be revealed. The denial could have come from a restraining order or a criminal conviction in another state.

 

So I could be crazy, but as long as I don't take medication, I can get a gun. There may be some logic there somewhere, but I fail to see it.

I am all for such checks, but no one has figured out how to do it.

Out of curiosity, how many of the mass murderers and school shooters were on a medication that indicated they had mental problems?

 

Exactly. The legal profession would never allow the checkbox. And as you point out there is incentive to not refuse medication.

The only way to address the mentally ill is to eliminate the laws that cleared out our mental health treatment facilities starting in the 50’s and 60’s resulting in 1,000,000 mental health beds instead of the 40,000 we have today. This will also reduce the homelessness and consequent public health problems that exist in our large cities.

 

There is also the problem of false positives. In the past, I have taken Gabapentin. They were talking about the possibility of making it a Class C controlled substance. I am not sure whether they did. This drug is normally given for seizures. If taken in excess, it can cause delusional behavior. However, it is also effective in relieving pain from peripheral nephropathy which has nothing to do with mental problems. . When the pain goes away, I quit taking it.

 

There are always exceptions which can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

However certain mood stabilizer medications are prescribed for the mentally unstable. Those would be the primary one that would be flagged and denials given. It is possible that the prescription would have to exceed a certain amount in order for it to be considered a reason for denial.

There are people who do not take their medications however if they were prescribed that means that there was a reason that they needed them.

 

But, if they don't use the prescription, there is no record. You are trying to create a system that will cause more false positives than true positives when most of the nuts who did the shooting were never diagnosed with mental problems to start with. I know several pipolar people who refuse to take the prescribed medication because it makes them feel normal. They prefer the high associated with bipolar behavior.

I frankly doubt that it would stop any potential shooter.

 

Why do those obsessed with firearms ALWAYS ASSUME that NOTHING will ever work?

 

What you are saying is impossible. No one ever always does anything.

The reason I am saying this will not work is because it will not work. How many of the shooters were diagnosed with mental problems? None, that I know of, but there is likely one or two there somewhere.

 

Kneejerk denialism does not alter factual reality!

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-shootings-mental-illness-20180223-story.html

 

Go for it.

I wonder how many of those used a gun they purchased.

 

Knowing how to properly use and handle a gun has nothing to do with gun safety? Then why does the NRA advocate for gun training?

 

Well if the Democrats in Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago would stop shooting each other you'd only be whelmed.

 

Where is the legislation ??