Who would win a civil war left vs right

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by modernpaladin, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. BobbyJoe

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    Your way to prevent it was to convince people to think the way you do, and if they don't.....

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    So tell me, in your new country, what are you going to do about diversity?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I were to make a 'new country', the only 'diversity' that would be resisted are cultures and institutions that oppose individual liberty, local sovereignty and legal equality. All other diversity would be welcome.
     
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    What cultures and institutions oppose individual liberty and legal equality? Specifically.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Examples:

    Authoritative collectivism (such as socialism) is antithetical to individual liberty.

    Shariah Law is antithetical to legal equality.
     
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    Who specifically represents either of those things now, and what would you do about them?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every democrat presidential candidate is a promoter of authoritatively collectivist programs. The only things I can 'do about them' are explain my dissent, refuse to consent and promise to resist their policies.

    ....and hope that enough of my political/ideological peers do the same to convince folks that those policies are doomed to failure.
     
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    I meant what would you do about diverse people and their "beliefs" in your make believe country?
     
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    The bankers. They always win.
     
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    Enforce a constitution that blocks authoritatively collectivist or legally inequitable policies, and restrict attempts at consolidating or centralizing delegated authority to protect local sovereignty, accuracy of representation and regional cultural preferences in autonomous governing.

    You sure take a lot of interest in 'my make believe country' that I havn't advocated to make... I don't want a new country. I would prefer the one we have now not get destroyed.
     
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    There are far more people on the left than the right. However, those on the right control 85% of the country. Those on the left are, by and large, crammed into the remaining 15% of our country; and quite frankly, those of us on the right kind of like it that way. You all can just stack yourselves up on each other in your cities all you want, just stay to the side. Really, stay way over on the edges, like how about 80% of you live within 100km of a coast, and we'll even add in the gulf and the great lakes, OK? Good. Now, stay!
     
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    I think 2020 will reveal that to not be the case. Many voters disenfranchised by the power monopoly of the progressive establishment now see the cracks forming in its foundation and I think have a renewed vigor in aiding its decline.
     
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    I was very careful to write "people" rather than voters. I agree that there are more American-voters.

    See my thread in this section entitled "Suppression will be the new Collusion".
     
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    Both the military and law enforcement take oaths to uphold the Constitution and the Law of the Land.

    If the extreme right starts a civil war they will be VIOLATING the Constitution and the Law of the Land.

    Why would the military and law enforcement violate their own oaths?
     
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    What is this imaginary "progressive establishment" of yours because it sounds just like an OXYMORON?

    The Establishment supports the status quo while the Progressives want changes to the status quo.
     
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    Because part of their oath includes 'domestic enemies' which includes corrupt or tyrannical government. They're also concerned with 'lawful orders' of which disarming the citizenry (for example) is not.

    All these things become quite subjective when we are so politically divided, including the perception of who actually 'starts' the civil war. The South fired the first shots in the first civil war, however most southerners (including the military units who took that very same oath) viewed those shots as a defensive action against hostile northern aggressors.

    Remember, the military and the police are not oathed to protect the government or the established authority, they're oathed to protect The People and the constitution. When The People fight eachother and the constitution is reinterpreted into meaninglessness, the perception of what to defend and who is attacking will vary widely from person to person.
     
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    Arguably, they've succeeded in changing the status quo to the extent that many values or policies that used to be 'conserved' are now gone, making conservatives the new advocates for change.
     
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    The "political division" exists primarily within a small subset of the electorate and not across the broad spectrum of We the People.

    The military and law enforcement are required to obey civilian authority. When your BLOTUS is removed from the Oval office his "authority" over the military becomes null and void. Right now the Pentagon views him skeptically and refrains from carrying out his orders. In that respect the military is DEFENDING our nation from the "enemy within" that appears to be a puppet of our foreign enemies.

    While INDIVIDUALS within the military might have differing opinions the Military itself is NOT going to side with a small subset of disaffected and disgruntled white supremacists. The same applies to law enforcement and we see that in the highest levels of the intelligence community and in legal professionals serving to uphold the Law of the Land nationwide. They view your BLOTUS and his cabal as violators of the law and will NOT side with him or his supporters.
     
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    There are extremely few GENUINE conservatives left and most of them have abandoned the GOP and become Independents instead.

    Those that pretend to be "conservatives" are a shrinking demographic of bigoted white nationalists who cannot adapt to the demographic changes this nation is undergoing. They are also dissatisfied with the fact that their Republican/Libertarian Lords and Masters have BETRAYED them and sold out to the wealthy Wall Street Casino Bosses however they haven't figured that part out as of yet. When some of them eventually do figure that out it will be too late.

    The Dem Establishment is wrongheaded in believing that they can appeal to disaffected Republicans. That asinine strategy has cost them heavily in elections nationwide. The Progressives have done the math and figured out that those who are either disaffected or disenfranchised by GOP voter suppression are the key to winning elections and the research and statistics indicate that they are riding a new wave of liberalism amongst the electorate that is even higher than it was when JFK was elected.

    2020 is when the tide is going to turn towards the left and the pretend conservatives will eventually discover that they are better off under Progressives just as they were better off under Obamacare.
     
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    Why have right wing reactionaries always been obsessed with this dystopian fantasy of a civil war between right and left?

    This is the second thread that brings it up in less than four days.

    And it always gets brought up and flogged by right wingers. They even have their own underground pulp fiction genre for it. The stories are all basically the same. Some catastrophe afflicts the US, and empties the big cities. The roving mobs (usually black, Hispanic, or some other “other”) descend on the countryside with the object of stealing what the god fearing heavily armed white folk posess. Salvation comes in the form a god fearing, gun toting wannabe John Wayne who rallies the folks in the hinterland against the “other”.
     
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    Insane perhaps?
     
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    Because the writing is on the wall and they don't like what they are seeing.

    I just started a thread about where we are headed as a nation.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-america-is-headed.558728/

    The dinosaurs probably objected to their decline just as strenuously with the raptors all insisting that they were the ones "heavily armed" with the teeth and the speed to "survive" but in the end it was the small mammals who prevailed.

    No amount of firearms can prevail against aging and change. Those "feel good" stories are just ways for some people to make a living out of exploiting the fears of those who are afraid of what the future holds.

    The Founding Fathers would not have been able to envision the future that we live in now just as we cannot envision the future that America will become but the core principles of individual rights will prevail because that liberal trend has remained throughout recorded history.
     
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    There already is, and probably always has been , a civil war between the Right and the Left, a cold war if you like, and the Left has been winning it for decades. Now, with a little "push back" in th form of President Trump (the one WE HAVE been waiting for), the Left is escalating it by becoming even more, and alarmingly so, violent.
    I am, by the Left's twisted definitions, a 'white supremist" "white nationalist" and all of those other slurs the Left has always used against the Right. It's no wonder they hate me!

    To be clear, "white supremist and white nationalist" means patriotic Americans, who believe in taking care of American citizens first, and race has not a thing to do with it.

    Racist and Nazi is often just someone who disagrees with you, tho' that is very related to any one who believes the Western Culture is the pinnacle of cultural evolution.

    Homophobe, Islamophobia and bigot and hypocrite are how they disparage Christians; (and not only Christians); and that's not the only way they attack Christians.

    Trump Supporters are of course uneducated (and really stupid) rubes from the sticks who will fall for slickers from the cities' con game.

    The News Media has their own twisted dictionary, their favorite is "far right", but that'd be a whole other thread.

    That's all for now
     
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    'The military itself' is made up of the individuals in the military, and Trump is far from 'being removed'...
     
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    Once you re-enlist you are in it for a pension. If you are ordered to fire on unarmed citizens you fire on unarmed citizens and mow them down.
     
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    No point in arguing over predictions of the future. We'll just have to wait and see.
     
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