We need a states rights party.

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Would you vote for this party?

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  1. wist43

    wist43 Banned

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    Repeal the 17th Amendment.

    Start there.
     
  2. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    If the 17th goes then Gerrymandering would need to be solved so that the senate is not used as political puppets of the ruling party. But I do agree its a good thing to do.
     
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    We'll sell you electricity if you sell us food. California currently buys 1/3 of their electricity from out of state. Money wouldn't mean much if we were in different countries with different currencies.

    Texas does pretty well with food, energy, manufacturing, and technology. I suspect we wouldn't be alone if we left, not that it would be pleasant for anybody for a while or worth it. I would just like to have the legal option on the table.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have a states rights party - the Libertarian party - but few car about individual liberty these days - unfortunately.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is better than OP.

    I think we'd all be a lot better off if Fedgov and states had to worry about not pushing other states to secede.
     
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    I would support most of what federal government does be moved to the states, the private sector or trash. The advantage of moving power to the states is that it provides a freedom of choice to citizens. If they don't like what state government does, they can move to another state. When federal government does something, we're all stuck with it.
     
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    I'm with ya... unfortunately, most Americans are too poorly informed to understand the arguments.

    And that goes for both Dems and Republicans - although I do hold out hope for some Republicans. Dems are beyond redemption.
     
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    I have been saying that for years... and it is getting worse. 12 years of school and we somehow manage not to teach the principles on which this nation was founded - individual liberty (and what this actually means) - what the legitimate powers of Gov't are .. and so on.

    We also manage not to teach the basics of Philosophy - logic, logical fallacy, what constitutes a valid argument, critical thinking.

    Without these basic tools - how is someone supposed to wade through the cacophony of fallacy and bad argument raining down on them on a daily basis from politicians and the MSM.

    The younger ones are particularly brainwashed with respect to having no respect for individual liberty. They are so used to the Gov't making laws that mess with individual liberty on the basis of utilitarianism justification (what will increase happiness/reduce harm for the collective) that they think this is legitimate .... it is not.

    Red does not follow the principles of Republicanism and Blue does not follow the principles of Classical Liberalism.
     
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    I think tRUMP is the last gasp of old white men being in charge.
     
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    Trump is the infection of authoritarianism. Hell, he even supports a defaced US flag over the real one, to represent his new country.

    Remember the video where he was with a group of kids and drew in the blue line for them? That was no accident.

    There is a real threat that trump will start a civil war rather than leave office. That, or indefinite Martial Law based on a bogus claim, or an incident he creates.
     
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    LOL... you guys are losing your grip on reality.
     
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    Putin would support it.
     
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    Where are all these jobs the welfare recipients are supposed to find if they try to come off welfare?
     
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    That's great until a hurricane comes on land and lays waste & destruction, then suddenly the states have their hand out for money and help.
     
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    Well I’ve got an unfilled position going on 6 years. :)

    Ever look at help wanted ads? You think there are no jobs to be had? Where are all the jobs coming from for the 55,000 thousand or so immigrants a month we are getting? Couldn’t they share? Immigrants grow our economy they say, why wouldn’t people already living here do the same if entering the economy?
     
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    You do realize that jobs are not a static statistic??

    In a low tax, low regulation environment, people will start businesses and create jobs.
     
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    Unfortunately, there was an opportunity to deal with this issue when the state legislators choose senators prior to the Seventeenth Amendment. The original premise should have been tweaked to allow the states to better control their senators.
     
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    However, with the lack of federal mandates, it might be a break even.
     
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    I am not into conspiracy theories.
    There were a couple of posters here that thought Obama was going to start WW3 before tRUMP's inauguration day. When those ships in a Navy Port were all lined up together.
    A bombing and then WW3.

    I know he wouldn't mind seeing a race war, especially in light of his recent attacks on women of color, he is working to pit races against whites. I doubt it will lead to civil war.
    His MAGA is not referring to economics. It refers to making a certain skin color back in control, again.
     
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    Okay, that's one job; what about the other 52 million people who are on welfare?

    In case you don't know it, there happens to be a stigma attached to being on welfare; when the HR department asks what your experience is and you say "I've been on welfare for the past 10 years or more" and the next person on line is someone who worked before and has experience going to work each day, who are you going to chose? The greedy businessman who pays the immigrants under the table to say money isn't going to take a welfare recipient since he's got to pay SSI and other benefits in taxes and pay at least minimum wage. It's common sense.

    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
     
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    Are you trying to tell me that the government will create over 52 million jobs? If you believe that I've got a bridge that I want to sell you.

    https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
     
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    Why don’t you answer my question? Where are the jobs going to come from for immigrants and asylum seekers? You want them here but don’t want them employed? I can’t understand your obsession with having dead wood stacked all over the place. Is your name Cloward or Piven by chance?


    Naw, not a stigma anymore. More a badge of honor. Are you saying all you leftists wouldn’t understand their plight and hire them? Aren’t you all about diversity? What HR head wouldn’t want the bragging rights of adding another victim class to the lineup? Are you saying all employers are right wing welfare hating scum? Or are you saying leftist business owners and managers are welfare recipient hating scum and would discriminate against them? And that they are tax evaders? Gasp. Or would leftists practice what they preach and leave us with only 26 million jobs to create?

    And I never said anything about blue states. I’m sure they would keep welfare operations going, right? All the red state welfare could move to blue states. You wouldn’t have a problem with that because you see having people on welfare as the preferred arrangement. If some is good, more is better, right?

    How is an ungreedy business man supposed to hire illegals? Can’t do it legally and you don’t want them to do it illegally. So they starve or what, go on welfare? Do you care at all about rule of law? Do you know what it is? Your ideas mandate someone break a law or starve. And you personally want to decide which laws can be broken and which can’t.

    I think the FDR administration was a dumpster fire. But at least we got something for our money back then. My state of residence got a whole freaking national forest. Where there was just sand and grass now there is a forest.

    In your paradise we get crack addicts, gang violence, and diabetes for our welfare expenditures. I’ll take a forest over that any day. But I’d rather have everyone participating in the private sector.
     
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    Its not about anything other than party affiliation, voting GOP is the deal breaker and will get them fired.
    If an amendment passed making the state pseudo independent, I would indeed "employ" all the homeless people, in blue states and only require they each fork over 100USD and then use the money to buy up to 1/2 of North Dakota and then build the new "business state" from the ground up. Homeless in the bankrupt red states could get contracted to get free housing for working the farms without pay, and getting say 10% of what they produce for themselves.
    I would hire and pay Latin Americans to bring materials to make electronic devices for a much cheaper price than in America and then split the profits 50/50 with them. while the blue folk are working on clean state of the art tech for energy and transportation. Reds on the farm, "Illegals" bringing materials and blues creating products good deal.
    Yep and Ronald ruined that with his tax plan, leave it to the gop to **** up an awesome system.
    My paradise would have no guns and the only "drug" would be weed as Alcohol and Tobacco would be banned
     
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    You are back again?
     
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