We are past due for welfare reform

I speak truth to power.

 

When you read the fine print for your article, welfare rates for non-citizens other than EITC is 6%

"Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent)."

Source: https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

So your link is treating the Earned Income Tax Credit as welfare, hyping the figures. Your article also doesn't mention all the federal programs I've seen require non-citizens to repay the program, if they receive emergency help, which is suppose to be the only way to qualify.

Also note, welfare can be just one of many programs, so someone is included as receiving welfare, even if they get very little on one program. The article shows a bias.

 

Oh, you sure slid that one by me.

 

As a voter and under our system of government, yes, via taxation as a disabled citizen deemed by the government unfit for suitable levels of employment a small amount to provide for me at a very modest level. I don't think non-citizens should get any support unless provided under an employer plan for example non-citizens serving in our armed forces should be treated like any other soldier and their families given the same benefits as any other military family. One consideration for citizenship should also be the service to the nation of said person after so long in or if disabled when on military deployment in a war zone I always thought should be there.

I will add laws requiring families to care for their own should be on the books at least immediate blood relatives and their spouses brothers, sisters, children and so forth as the first line of support. However if that isn't enough or an option and charities can't provide for ones welfare society has to step-in.

I will note the vote was given to me, as benefit of my citizenship the second I turned eighteen I wouldn't have given people like me the vote but it was done and I will use it to survive if that means taking something from you and others so I can live so be it.

 

Here is more but you will call it biased, likely.
ttps://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/immigration-and-welfare
Illegal immigration further aggravates the problem. While illegal aliens are technically prohibited from receiving most means-tested federal welfare benefits by law, 26 states – that is more than half – currently offer benefits to individuals who are in the U.S. unlawfully. Moreover, illegal aliens also collect welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who, based on a flawed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment (“birthright citizenship”), are automatically counted as U.S. citizens. They are also entitled to free public education. Overall, illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually, which includes the costs of welfare benefits they collect.

 

That sounds just as silly as the first time I ever heard it. Is it liberal codespeak?

 

Fair enough and I understand your point of view. To follow up, since you feel that I "owe" you a portion of my work for your support, do you feel that you owe me anything in return?

 

I don't think that's the point. If people took more responsibility for themselves and their family members, far less 'charity' would be needed. That which is volunteered would probably be enough.

 

Consider 100 non-citizen households. The data shows 94 of those 100 households of those non-citizens aren't getting anything considered welfare except the Earned Income Tax Credit given to people with low incomes, but who work. Of the 6 of the 100 households that get welfare, it could be a child getting WIC, perhaps one of those anchor babies that grow on trees.

The article doesn't provide numbers to paint an accurate picture and tosses the word welfare around rather carelessly.

Raise the minimum wage enough to get rid of the EITC and all that welfare will vanish. In a sense, it's corporate welfare, subsidizing low wages. Put it in the pay.

 

Actually this was light hearted humor. You are not powerful

 

Sorta like feeding stray cats.

 

lame, you have no power of wit. Try harder, be best!

 

Go ask your mom for free ****.
I'm not your mom

 

Of course not

 

I know what the point is. My wife and I are caring for my mother who has dementia. But there are many people who don’t have the means to take care of themselves AND extended family. We fortunately do.

 

There seems to be a lot of those trees, and not just on the southern border. Around the world, there are several "Travel Agencies" who specialize in getting pregnant women in to the us as "tourists", timed specifically to result in delivery on American soil. Some stories have mentioned them having drugs that would induce labor a bit early in order to insure proper timing. It's a damn business, with a lot of do-it-your-selfers. The answer is to change the way the citizen rule is written, so that child born here to a citizen of another country has the same citizenship of the parent. Most of the world functions on that standard.

 

yep, they should blame people like Trump for hiring illegals

 

cause the children are Americans

 

Gop views

 

Just curious.

You are aware the majority of people on welfare actually have jobs and work 40+ hours a week right?

 

It took both parties to create resettlement funds for refugees and it will take both parties to reform, now lie some more about how Repubs are always the innocent ones...

 

So let the children starve? I mean why not just come out and say it?

 

No, they don't want free stuff, they know somebody has to pay- they just don't want it to be them. It's a kind of double-talk that you understand well..... and we all know it.
People who won't do for themselves always think that someone who will has unfair advantage and privilege, and therefore they are entitled to take what they aren't willing to earn....

 

That link showing 6% of non-citizens getting welfare excluding EITC is somewhat revealing. It shoots down the idea that non-citizens are getting all that claimed welfare and 6 households in 100 having someone with an American born child, who would have to qualify for something when the parents make such low wages isn't bad. Another factor is those 6 out of 100 households have been in our country for many years.

Let's deal with reality for a change, the only reasons I keep seeing to exclude immigrants from the triangle countries are their race. Somebody with special skills or education may be more important to a business needing such a person, but there are ways for that business to import labor. I don't buy into the idea one group of people are better than another, I think the human value is determined by the individuals, such that a person could be uneducated and without a high intelligence and still be a great human being.