We need a states rights party.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sackeshi, Jul 14, 2019.

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Would you vote for this party?

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  1. wist43

    wist43 Banned

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    The skin color and gender of the people is incidental.

    I would argue that Omar, AOC, and that other idiot are doing nothing less than attacking the United States from within and need to be dealt with.

    I would like to see sedition laws back on the books.

    It's obvious these women - and a majority of the Democratic Party - hate America, and have been working for decades to undermine our Rule of Law and destroy our freedoms.

    One way or another, they need to go.
     
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    I’m not sure where to start. I guess math would be the best.

    Let’s assume 75% of homelessness is in blue states. I’m going to be generous and weight everything in your favor. That would get you $41,250,000. Again weighting in your favor at $1800/acre you will buy about 23,000 acres. North Dakota has 39,000,000 acres of farmland so you’re not quite getting half.

    So, the production value on 23,000 acres per year is going to be $260/acre profit if you do everything right times the 23,000. That gives you $5,000,000 to feed your 420,000 dependents for a year. That’s $12 per person per year. Sounds like a ****hole country to me. How much weed can you buy with $12 per person?

    Let’s let that sink in for a while.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Its only $65-$135 per acre in ND, and there are 1.2M homeless in LA county alone making that $100,200,000. okay not half at least in the first year (only counting LA) that would be 742,222 acres about 2% and if we got richer keep buying. (The number they use is people who sleep on the streats not those who can not afford housing.
    The farmers would be feeding us and like I said the cheep made tech that we could sell for low prices and bring in cash would fund this state. Also having a state currency that would be stronger than the dollar as it would be gold backed.
     
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    Not likely incidental on skin color.
    What specifically are you referring to when you say they are attacking the USA?

    I can flip your logic and state tRUMP hates America. He only likes the white part of America. And mostly only the males.
    One way or another, he needs to go.

    But I'm willing to see exactly where they attack America.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the same way your going to find jobs for all 52 million people on welfare. You seem to know the secrets, I don't.

    How can the left hire them? The right claims that people on the left don't work and only take from the right. so it has to be the fault of the right.

    Under your scenario they wouldn't; all state would cease welfare operations.


    I take it you have no issue with defacto slavery? because that's exactly what it is.

    How would you know? where you alive back then or have you been reading books by the John Birch Society?

    In your paradise you have incest, goiters, rotten teeth, black lung disease, genetic inferiority, skin cancer and a host of other fun things to numerous to mention.
     
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    quite to the contrary my friend, I think it's you that have no clue. try reading the posts from the first one on down.
     
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    The "Green New Deal" is an attack upon America; working to prevent defense of our borders is an attack upon America; seeking to weaponize the government in the name of leftist/PC causes is an attack upon America; redistribution schemes are an attack upon America; etc, etc

    Our liberties exist b/c the Constitution constrains the government from doing any of those things mentioned above.

    I'm not thrilled with Trump's demeanor and manner, and I didn't vote for him; but, he's doing a decent job of fighting for fair trade, he's been tough on the international stage, and he's trying to secure the border.

    Those are all very positive things for the USA.

    If the election were today, I'd probably vote for Trump. I'm a libertarian, and as such, there is nothing so deplorable as someone who wants to empower the government.

    I don't care what the cause is, or what the rationale is - an empowered government is a dangerous government; and, that's what the left wants to do.
     
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    Like I said - I have no idea what you're referring to...

    Didn't say you didn't know what u were talking about.
     
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    How is the 'green new deal' and attack on America.
    What prevention of defense of our borders is being attacked? The wall? Mostly useless. Most illegal immigrants haven't walked across the border.

    A difference of opinion is NOT an ATTACK on the USA.
    Now, do you have specifics?

    How about pick 1. And give the reason it is an attack on America. No more RW faux tv talking head points.
     
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    Your source is incorrect. Those are cash rent numbers not purchase price. Your numbers on homeless in LA are also incorrect. It’s more like 50,000 in LA. Around 130,000 in California. Why would any street sleeper leave the California climate for North Dakota? You’d have to drug them and ship them up there while unconscious. When they came to and it’s -20F you are going to need a protective detail. You budget for that?
    Homeless people are going to have the skills to feed you in North Dakota? You like wheat berries and canola oil? Sounds like a balanced diet. Or are you planning avocado groves as well? Have you considered the millions of dollars of machinery and crop inputs to plant your first crop? Or the millions of dollars to get your tech manufacturing going? How will you have gold backed currency without gold? Are you an alchemist? I’ve got to give you credit for thinking outside the box but you need serious business and accounting advice. Not to mention better sources of information. :)
     
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    I don’t know any secrets. Just some economics and enough common sense to know having 15+% of the population on welfare isn’t smart. And that people who are paid not to work never will. And that economies aren’t zero sum or finite.



    I haven’t claimed that regardless of the label you use. You are dodging the question. Or are you saying the left doesn’t work or own businesses even though I haven’t?



    You have no faith in leftists at all! This is fascinating. You’re telling me California, the 5th largest economy in the world, the golden state, full of compassionate socialists, would cease welfare operations? Why would they cease them?




    What’s defacto slavery? Be specific, I’m not following.



    I’ve never read anything critical of FDR.

    I’ve not described my paradise. On what do you base the teeth, genetic inferiority, etc.? What is this paradise you’ve created on my behalf? You’ve piqued my interest.
     
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    sorry, I cannot spoon feed you all of the posts.
     
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    so what is the draw to get people off of welfare?




    I never said you did; but if you listen to the right, that's impression they give.




    Under the scenario you paint, yes.





    I'm not going to spoon feed you everything; google is your best friend.




    Did you graduate from high school?. Work on your reading skills; I never said you said anything critical of FDR.


    One where it used to be sand and now is a forest. Put two and two together and you'll figure it out.
     
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    You do make a good point, tbh land would be free though because Montana Wyoming ND and SD would all go bankrupt since they have no monetary value and would ideally be bought by google/Microsoft and made into test states.
     
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    It appears that you are operating under the assumption that homeless people are like everyone else other than a bad break or two. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of chronically homeless people are suffering from a serious mental illness.

    With that reality in mind, it is unrealistic to believe that you could make those folks productive in the agriculture industry. While I am sure that you have the best of intentions, your idea is rooted in extreme naivety.
     
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    They don't need to be homeless they just need to not be able to afford to live in CA or NY to possably take the offer
     
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    I thought that your idea was an attempt to end homelessness. If you are simply talking about people that cannot afford to live in California, they should be more than capable of deciding to move wherever they want where they can afford to live. My guess is that not all that many will decide that they want to be farmers that live in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    It is to end homelessness, but also to create a totally renewable energy state . So we need tec people to
     
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    But it will not end homelessness because the vast majority of those people have a serious mental illness and are not capable of becoming farmers. What tech people are going to want to live amongst a sea of mental illness in the middle of nowhere?
     
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    They won't live with the mentally ill. The mentally ill who can't work will be housed in the under state, basically where all the stuff happens that makes the above state look futuristic. They will be housed and fed.

    Everyone else will work on the electric magnet train system that goes around the whole state, instead of roads and the solar energy system that would cover every housing complex
     
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    LOL...OK. Good luck with that.
     
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    The draw should be self motivation to be one’s best. But we have “educated” that trait out of existence. Now we are left with the draw one would use to get their 34 year old son to move out of their basement.


    Sometimes it does come across that way. We agree. Sometimes it’s interpreted that way intentionally to facilitate easier rebuttal not based on substance.


    Perhaps you are right. If you are, there is great value in the answer to the question of “why” that you’ve avoided.


    I know what defacto slavery is. I want to know what you think I’ve proposed that could be classified as such.

    Here we go....
    You accused me of getting my information on FDR from Birch sources. I said I’ve never READ anything negative about FDR. Now you are using the word “said”. The point is my opinions on FDR are not those of authors, but my own, contrary to your assertions



    Halsey National Forest was not FDR’s idea. But his CCC planted millions of trees there during the Great Depression. It’s located in the Nebraska Sandhills, one of the most unique ecosystems on the planet. The counties around Halsey were considered to have some of the highest concentrations of millionaires in the country preceding the concentrations of wealth resulting from the .com and tech revolutions. Nebraska consistently rates high among the states least dependent on the Federal Government yet maintains a high quality of life.

    Except for Omaha next to Iowa, crime and other negative metrics are very low.

    If there are bad teeth up there in the Sandhills it’s a cowboy fueling an 18 hour day with Copenhagen not a meth head sitting on the couch scratching his arms all day. And any incest is a purebred seedstock producer line breeding angus genetics. :)
     
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    You're free to move.

    I choose to live where I live because I dont want to live in places with people I dont identify with who wouldn't welcome my idea of liberty.
     
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    And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon... :roll:
     
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    Why do these states not have value? Who told you that? In the absence of government meddling in agri business price volatility may increase but overall profit margins would most certainly increase. Consolidation would result but nobody would be selling to Microsoft for pennies on the dollar.

    I like your thinking so I’m going to give you a hot tip. Sugar cane operations have ceased on Maui resulting in fires on neglected land. Almost burned up my brother the other day. Anyway, nobody can figure out what to do with the land. I’m not sure who owns it now. At this point the state may pay you to manage it to prevent fires. And you are going to have a lot better luck getting homeless people to Maui than North Dakota. The locals would likely be more friendly to your goals as well. :)
     

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