Service rifle class, NRA Long range - full of ARs. Been here, done this. Match 512 -- Service Rifle Aggregate Aggregate of matches 531, 532, 535, 538 https://competitor.nra.org/public/ChampionshipResults.aspx
I was trained with the M 14 in boot camp, the M 16 in ITR and owned an AR15. Any of those weapons can handle the standard military rifle range, but the M 14 is better for distance shooting. Logistically, the M 16 is the better battle weapon. The SR-25 is superior for target shooting and so are many others. From what I've seen of people shooting feral hogs, I haven't seen anyone using an AR-15 and I haven't seen people knowing how to shoot well, even though many hunts involved distance shots which shouldn't be that difficult for an experienced marksman to get clean kills. I get the impression the hunters like to have fun blasting away.
You don't know what you are talking about. Think service rifle class and let me know if you can figure out what that means.
How did you do on the 1,000 yard line with your AR ? You are aware that the service rifle matches are limited to military service rifles. That would include the 03-Springfields but M-1 Garands and mostly S.A. M-1A's (M-14) seem to rule the day. If you have ever been aboard an Army or Marine base that was in use before 1942 you discover all of the KD rifle ranges are 600 yard ranges. Each base also had a 1,000 yard rifle range because before the Vietnam War and the adoption of the M-16, American military infantry tactics called for engaging the enemy at 1,000 yards. One of the best examples was the U.S. Marines during the battle of Belleau Wood or during the Frozen Chosin during the Korean War.
Me personally? Not so well. Bad eyes. My shooting buddy? Expert/Master level. Service rifles, or their civilian counterparts. The Army, Marine and AF marksmanship units use M16s. Not sure about the USGC.
I mentioned I was trained with the M 14 in boot camp and the M 16 in ITR. The standard rifle range for the Marines is 200, 300 and 500 yards, involving variations of the four shooting positions, with a max score of 250. It isn't that hard to get the maximum score with either weapon. I also mentioned once you want to go for distance, the M 14 is far superior. The M 16 is superior for most battle, because the weapon is seven and a half instead of eleven and a half pounds and the ammo is about two and a half times more rounds with the 5.56 mm than the 7.62 mm for the same weight carried.
Why did the Army, Marine and AF marksmanship units, with their resources and skills, switch to the M16 for XTC, Palma and LR service rifle competition?
Rifle competitions have specific rules and what the hell does that have to do with a weapon being better or the best? It should be obvious, shooting with a peep hole sight is different than using a scope. At 700 or 1000 yards, you'd have a much better chance of hitting the target using an M 14 than an M 16. The M 16 was in general a better weapon in Vietnam, but it wasn't the choice for sniping where accuracy and not volume was important. The M 16 allowed for quick change to auto, which was handy in jungles, where the tactics involved ambush. I imagine they could have made the M 14 to quickly convert to auto, but figured it was too dangerous to do so. It would be like shooting a BAR and using a bipod would be highly recommended.
The U.S. military interservice rifle teams use the current service rifle being used by their branch of service at the time. Though M-14's are still in Marine Corps and Army armories they are no longer considered to be a service rifles. When I served the Marine Corps (69-71) issued three service rifles...the M-14, M-1 Garand and the M-16A1. All Fleet Marine Forces (FMF) were issued the M-14. All Marine security forces, Marine Barracks on naval installations and all Marine ship detachments were issued the M-1 Garand. All Marines by 1967 were being issued the M-16A1 who were with the lll MAF in Vietnam. The military interservice service rifle matches longest range is 600 yards . 600 yards is borderline being midrange and long range. Ever seen the 1 mile rifle range competition ?
You said: "I also mentioned once you want to go for distance, the M 14 is far superior." If so: Why did the Army, Marine and AF marksmanship units, with their resources and skills, switch to the M16 for XTC, Palma and LR service rifle competition?
They DO... but they don't -have- to. Up until the mod-80s they used the M14, more than 20 years after the M16 was put in service, and then started moving over to the M16 - because the M16 could be made to shoot better than the M14. Not so; they also shoot Palma and long range.
Hint, it isn't because the M 16 is the best. All those Marines in Vietnam choosing the M 14 over the M 16 for sniper rifles weren't stupid.
A fellow Marine. Semper Fi When I was going through Staging Battalion at Las Pulgas in May of 69 we heard that the last M-14 to be issued at 2nd ITR would be in June, that from then on all Marines will be issued the M-16A1 most without rifle slings because there weren't enough to go around. Not my old sea story but someone else.
There's a bunch of videos about wild boar and feral pig hunting on YouTube. One of the last ones I saw was in Croatia. Look thru about a hundred or so and find me someone preferring to use an AR-15.
You STILL have not answered the question: If the M14 is "far superior" for distance, as you said, why did the Army, Marine and AF marksmanship units, with their resources and skills, switch to the M16 for XTC, Palma and LR service rifle competition? If you do not know - and at this point its obvious you don't - just say so.
None of which changes or otherwise addresses the points that have been raised. When the matter pertains to nuisance species, such as feral hogs, the objective is total eradication, not conservation. There are no bag limits, no rules of engagement to ensure the proliferation of the species, just the goal of wiping out as many of them as physically possible.
Semper Fi. I started PI on January 14, 1972 and we trained with M 14s in boot camp. Boot camp was 80 days long, they made you take 10 days leave and then go to ITR in Camp Lejeune. ITR was M 16 and 40 days. I must have been near the last to be trained that way, because while I was at ITR, Drill Instructors were showing up with their platoons of recruits. The training was changed to include ITR with boot camp and all those recruits were using M 16s and not the M 14s I trained with. I'm not sure what you were told, but I know for a fact the M 14 was used in PI boot camp when I was there and stopped being used shortly after I left.
8 Mark on two, a 6 on the other. What's your point? You asked me to dig up videos and I found the very first one proving you wrong.
Do you know what a tree stand is? You can find a place and assassinate a feral pig with the proper weapon.
