People are not racists because they DO racist things...

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Not that I recall. I certainly didn't. But thanks for the whataboutism, and the tacit confession that you no longer wish to be taken seriously.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the problem you are so busy sorting people into groups of racists, misogynists etc etc.... that you don't even realise you are in your effort to not distinguish or group.... actually doing exactly that... painting people as dirty, or filthy and groups of pure and clean...
     
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  3. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not as long as the word is in common use.
     
  4. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I found an interesting discussion of "race".
    "Why do they ask? One reason is to track what races are being hired, fired, getting medical care etc. This is to insure non discrimination. Another critical reason is that different races are more prone to different diseases which should be screened for and respond to different medications."
    "The PC police have decided that there is no such thing as race. They are wrong. Race is based on genetics. Note the popularity of “Ancestry.com”. Many people in the USA and South American are mixed race. No race is inherently superior to another but there are differences and no amount of whining will change that. Let’s not deny the differences but celebrate them."
    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-race-and-ethnicity-on-a-medical-checkin-form
     
  5. Observing

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    And what sea does Israel want to push the palestinians into? And what the hell is so special about Isreal that they can do what they do without a peep from us except to give them more aid to continue to do so.
     
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    Israel just wants the Palestinians to leave the 7th century and join the modern world.
     
  7. Observing

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    And who the hell is Israel to tell the palestinians in the west bank how they should live just because we sell them great war ****.
     
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    A completely fundamental misunderstanding of the argument being made. Nobody is claiming that genetic differences between populations don't exist, of course they do. We're claiming that race doesn't exist as a scientifically defensible concept.

    Now, I think it could exist as a scientifically defensible concept, but it would be very different from our current conception.
     
  9. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For the umpteenth time. Race is common usage. Most people understand it. There are important differences between the races as the doctor explained.. Race is a perfectly acceptable term.
     
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    I'm not saying race isn't an acceptable term. I'm saying that "race" doesn't exist as a genetic concept, and that there aren't "important differences" between "the races" because that's not a scientifically rigorous concept capable of being tested. Are there "important differences" between populations? Yeah, sure.

    Race exists as a social construct, but is scientifically indefensible as a genetic concept. Period.
     
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  11. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never disagreed with that. This all started with the claim that the term race was racist. Race is an acceptable and useful term.
     
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    I was responding to the false claims in the quora post you quoted that I assumed you agreed with.
     
  13. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    False claims? It was not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. I am trying to understand the motives of the attitude that the term race is meaningless or even worse, racist. I don't care whether we came from common ancestors or numerous ancestors. The races are very different. Denial of that fact is pointless or even dangerous.

    I keep thinking that maybe religion might be at the bottom of their objection, or rather lack of religion. I am not religious, but I would never say that someone's religious beliefs are wrong. There are too many very smart people on both sides of that argument.
     
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    Racism. Do you see any?



    I'm not seeing it.
     
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    Israel just wants the rockets to stop coming from Gaza.
     
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    What does gaza have to do with the west bank?
     
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    Yes, courtesy of the Supreme Court. The Democrats won the popular vote.

    You are not being rational. Impeachment is simply an indictment. Without a conviction in the Senate, impeachment is an exercise in futility and could easily cause a Trump victory in 2020.

    There is nothing wrong with the "book" in this case. The goal of the Democrats is to remove Trump from office. A failed impeachment will likely cause the opposite to happen. However, if Trump continues to make a fool of himself while in office, with slight urging from the media, that goal will be achieved.

    Don't lose sight of the ultimate goal. It is not impeachment.

    There is no reason to believe Trump will appear on national television before a House committee on impeachment. His administration has already been charged with criminal contempt. It doesn't faze Trump one bit. He simply ignores the House. Republicans in the Senate support every move he makes.
     
  18. apoptosis

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    So exactly what I said. You are using your magic powers of knowing someone else's motivation to make up charges against them, because that is what you want to believe. This is apophenia. This is what schizophrenics do. "My neighbor SAYS he doesn't work for the CIA, but I know his REAL mind". "Did you see the way he threw out his trash? Only a government man would throw out trash like that."
    Everything you see serves to confirm your internal bias, and contradictory information is explained away.


    But you did; you did jump to conclusions. That is how you are interpreting racism.

    I know! I was being a dick. In my family, being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

    What? Trump sees illegal immigrants as Jews that want into Auschwitz? Alright....
    Moving on, why would they go INTO a concentration camp to save their family? Are they stupid? Our border facilities have been described as concentration camps. What kind of idiot tries to get into concentration camp? What gives?


    Again with your assumptions. So now I am right wing and following someone else's narrative? Because I don't agree with poorly thought out points?
    Also, in what way is Trump encouraging them to come?
    If you watch the interviews with the people in the facilities, they say that there are advertisements in their home country telling them to come to America for free stuff.They were also coached on how to abuse the Asylum system. This is the same pattern of behavior of the NGO's that pushed Muslims into Europe. I guarantee you if you follow the money on this thing, Democrats are funding these NGOs.
     
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  19. Golem

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    Ok. Wait a minute. By "arbitrary" what scientists mean is that they are selected arbitrarily. Racists discriminate because of skin color, for example. But not because of "hair color". And the number of genetic markers required to establish hair color is the same as those needed to determine skin color. And yet nobody speaks of "blond race" or "black-hair race". And the number of genetic markers that determine eye color is greater than those. And yet, you have never heard of a "green-eyed race" or "blue-eyed race"

    What is it that "matters" then, concerning so-called "races"?

    Then provide the "features" that, according to you, determine "race"
     
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    Big Mike is referred to as a monkey because he freaking well looks like a monkey. He'd look like a snow monkey if he was white .. but he'd still look like a monkey. Are you offended on his behalf, Dear? Do you need everyone to say he's pretty because he's black?
     
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    no they're not they are biological. One characteristic for instances is a nose bone. Well technically it's just cartilage but people of One race have it and other races don't. That's not arbitrary that's biological.

    Whatever scientists say that it's arbitrary that genetic features exist are probably the same kind of scientists that think the Earth is flat I wouldn't take their word on it.

    no that's colorism.

    this is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever seen you type. hair color can be changed at a salon in a few minutes. Skin color can be changed at a salon over a few months.


    hair color can be changed. You're making comparisons to non genetic features.

    nothing. That's why it's superficial. Just like hair color.

    What you're saying is hair color doesn't exist because it's superficial.


    so are you telling me out of a lineup of people from all over the world you wouldn't be able to tell me who the Asian person is or the white person or the black person? Even if they all had the same shade of skin tone?

    I think what you're doing here is deluding yourself is a form of virtue signaling about how not racist you are. but I'm more not racist than you are because I can understand that there's differences between Asian people and black people and still think that they're superficial you have to pretend they don't exist.
     
  22. Golem

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    Admitted bias is exactly the contrary of lying. You said they were not credible. If they admit they have bias, then they seem very sincere and open.

    Everybody has opinions and biases. That doesn't mean they automatically apply it to their professional work. And recognizing your bias means they won't allow it to affect their work.

    But, if it did, you have to show where. If you can't show that their bias affected their reporting, then you can't accuse them of "lying"

    Stop saying it.... Show it!

    You rely on empty attacks like "kool-Aid", "falsehoods", "bias"... and you don't show any of it!

    Nothing is done with "white people". Nobody tells cops to stop more of them at traffic stops. Or to arrest more of them without cause Or to shoot more of them.

    Now... on this post you have said many things and demonstrated none. It's about time you started showing actual well-reasoned arguments based on facts.
     
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    The word "elf" is in common use. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the hole. If I had been in your position, I would have retracted abut ten posts ago. And that would have been the end of that. But you have decided to just keep displaying your absolute lack of rational thought.
     
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    That is exactly why Science discarded the concept of "race" in the first place. Because the old studies that used that as basis were useless. At some point in the 20th century, some pharmaceutical companies tried to asses the difference in the effects of certain medications in black people and in white people. The conclusions obtained were completely skewed and in the few instances in which they were used, the results were tragic.. More useful might be the studies based on ethnic grouips. But ethnic groups may contain both white and black individuals. However, though more promising, pharmaceuticals still won't rely on them to make recommendations.

    As for being "hired" and "fired"... what is analyzed are the ethnic groups with which individual self-identify.

    Read the definition I gave of "racism"
     
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    You really say stupid things.
    I have a patient portal with my medical clinic. I can look at my test results. It also shows the acceptable limits. They are different for African Americans for several of the categories.
     

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