Donald Trump distances himself from 'send her back' chants against Ilhan Omar at rally

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  1. Pants

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    Okay, well then lets discuss your quotes:

    'Its all about the benjamins'
    She apologized. I don't know what else I can say about that.

    'People were drinking from toilets'
    If she were the only one and was proven wrong, I would concur that it is a terrible thing to allege.

    'Agents of color as being simply "a cog" in a machine of oppression'.
    I happen to agree with Pressley on this statement. I didn't see it as racially charged.

    'U.S. is responsible for the Islamist terror attack at a Kenyan mall.'
    I looked, but could not find a source for this statement - hence, why I asked for links.

    'Some people did something on 9/11':
    “Far too long we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen, and frankly, I’m tired of it, and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it,” Omar said at the event. “CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

    Sounds harmless, right? But if stripped out of the context, Omar’s phrase “some people did something” can be spun as minimizing the significance of 9/11 for both the victims and the country writ large. This is not remotely accurate if you watch the full video, which I encourage you to do as a counterpoint to the out-of-context attacks. At the end, for example, she speaks movingly about how America’s national values motivated her family to immigrate to the United States.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/11/18306436/ilhan-omar-911-islamophobia-republicans


    'Omar voted against a bill that denies life insurance benefits to radical terrorist policyholders who kill Americans'
    Yes, she did. Along with John Lesch. Why is he not being vilified as well? She has not given reasons for her 'no' vote - so until we hear it, all reasons are supposition. I'm not supporting her on this, as I would not have voted 'no'. But I cannot speak to her thinking if it is not shared.

    Omar blaming the US for terrorist attacks
    The part about blaming the United States stems from an interview Omar gave in October 2013 for a local PBS show, "Belahdan," which covers Middle Eastern community issues and perspectives. As she talked about terrorism, Omar (who was an activist at the time) took issue with the idea that terrorism emerges out of the blue.

    "For us, it’s always ‘I must have not done anything. Why is it happening to me?’" Omar said. "Nobody wants to take accountability of how these are byproducts of the actions of our involvement in other people’s affairs."

    Saying that American policies have had unintended consequences is not the same as blaming the United States for terrorist attacks.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...hecking-trumps-misleading-attacks-omar-ocasi/


    The bottom line is that quotes can be taken out of context, or used to score political points. Its not a recent phenomenon. It is why we should all research what we hear and read - from all sides of the discussion - to identify the truth, rather than our interpretations.
     
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    No the hysteria is from yourselves being like baying wolves wanting to devour a young woman for having the wrong skin colour. Wanting to take away the rights of people of colour. Wanting to try something which we all have spent the past 70 years saying 'never again' to but as I said there were Nazis in the US in the 30's. You could have gone that way then. That time the left won. As far as Unions are concerned you do not have Union strength. You have very few people in Unions and I hear they are more likely to support the bosses. Without Unions to protect the workers and give them a voice, Capitalism cannot be democratic. This leaves people as the wwc in the US are now, committing suicide and getting addicted to drink and drugs because they feel a failure in the country where whatever you dream of is supposed to come true..if you are white...and so along comes Trump, he understands how hard it is for you with these damn coloured taking all your jobs and making your life hell and you agree with him that you must give up your humanity and go back 100 years taking away the human and civic rights of those who are not white. He promises white privilege again. He advocates White Supremacy and you say yes. White Supremacists would have not a chance in hell in the US if it were not that the Christian Right are of a similar disposition with their hates. Hope you enjoy Christian fascism.
     
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    Not sure what you're going on about. Where this congresswoman is born does not and should not have any bearing whatsoever on her criticisms of our - her - country. She is a citizen of this country and has been here since childhood. Her opinions are no less valid. This is the basic problem with Trump's - and now evidently your - bigoted attacks against her for daring to utter some kind of criticism.
     
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    LOL, what would you have to whine about if you didn’t have your false narrative?
     
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    Wow be careful what you wish for you just might get it. lol Thankyou for honest responses. I really just wanted one or two to kick around and I can't take them all on right now so I'll just take the low hanging fruit.
    "Some people did something to us" I'm sorry but there's just no way to explain that away and minimize it whatever the context. Some dirtbag psychopath murdering terrorist killed thousands of people after they slit the throats of pilots and flight attendants with box cutters. To trivialize this horrific event and to call these monsters "some people" is reason all by itself to ask her politely to leave America. She should have got on her knees and begged for Americas forgiveness instead of apologizing for her childish Benjamin comment. Add that to her vote against denying terrorist life insurance benefits and her being a member of the Muslim brotherhood and CAIR that was started by a terrorist and many of us will pay for her ticket back to Somalia.

    https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/uncategorized/2019/04/how-and-why-hamas-founded-cair/
     
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    All he did that time was stand there an smile at the racists chanting such nonsense by his supporters.

    Once more by his supporters while he smile.

    You do know that there is youtube covering all his racist behaviors.
     
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    Smile or grimace is in the eye of the beholder. What he didn't do is encourage or participate.
     
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    As long as Trump supporters continue to go along with his 'fine people on both side' line, you'll just have to suck up the 'some people did something' line. Taken, on its own, it is disingenuous. For both Trump and Omar.

    And when Trump gets on his knees to apologize for childish comments, I will call for Omar to do the same.
     
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    Nonsense as his supporters would not do a damn thing to made him unhappy

    Only when the pressure got too great from even his own daughter from reports did he try to declaim those chants
     
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    They don't care. They live in a bubble and believe this abomination they support won't come with severe consequences. Let me assure you, it will.
     
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    I notice you pivoted sharply away from defending Omar for her vile and repulsive anti America "some people did something comment" I don't blame you.
     
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    Your opinion is just that opinion. Fact would have been if trump participated or encouraged the chant which he absolutely did not.
     
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    So many racists. They're multiplying faster every day. The country is doomed.
     
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    AOC was born on NYC to US Citizen parents.
     
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    Hell Trump seems to had move one hell of a lot of white racists back to the 1950s an gave them cover once more to be openly racist.

    After the non-racists dare to had placed a black man into the white house the racists had strike back.
     
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    Have any quotes of her saying positive things about America that she was fortunate enough to be born in?
     
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    Sure he did not!!!!!

    Did you ever sign up for Trump U also an if you did so did you get your money back thanks to the Judge who parents was from Mexico?
     
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    Um, yeah. Oh, for sure. ??
     
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    LOL since Trump became president and turn our country into an international joke an the racists had crawled out of hiding there had not been too must positive things to say.
     
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    Trump participated in the chant? Breakin news? New video? lol
     
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    As I suspected you can't find any positive quotes by Cortez about America. I couldn't either.
     
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    I think there's probably a few racists under your bed. Have you looked there?
     
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    I didn't pivot. Read my post again. If you take the line - on its own - it can be seen as vile and repulsive. When in context, not so much. And Trump's 'fine people' comment is the same.
     
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    Many believe; few see the truth:

    Remember this heroism? I don't believe she was trying to escape America persecution. Was she?

    The story of Rahaf Mohammed




    Islam Treats Woman Like Slaves
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46873796

    Trump's tweets are nationalistic, and a half-step behind being racist, but yet...there is more than one mad dog in this dog fight. Isn't there.
     

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