His only tool is racism ...

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Reminiscent of 2015-2016 when the pundits and the media and the Democrats had no clue about Trump's appeal and predicted a landslide victory for Hillary right up to election evening. They still don't have a clue they are so immersed and blinded by their hatred and mythology. Racist is a perfect example as it is ballyhooed by the opposition without a shred of evidence that Trump is anything near a racist. Why is telling people that hate America to go back where they came from racist? Trump said nothing racist nor misogynistic in any of his tweets. He would have responded to white morons equally.
     
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    This must be meant as a joke. Tune into a Trump rally and the venom flows like Niagara Falls in the springtime. Supply evidence? It's all around you. The blindest people are those that will not see. Think you buddies aren't violent? Attend a Trump rally with an "I LOVE OBAMA" T-shirt.

    I have lived through twelve (12) presidents and Trump is the most divisive president in our history. Trump spews an endless stream of lies, hate, and fear to ignite his base and divide us as a people. It's on display every day.
     
  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a given fact, of which - and for your own purposes - you prefer to be oblivious.

    Monstrous Income Disparity, for which America is one of the worst countries, is condemning those below the Poverty Threshold ($25K income for a family of four) to a life of penury) Which they bequeath to their children who cannot afford post-secondary education.

    And the politically blind to the facts or fixated on an outdated political philosophy, like you, say it is all about Rabid Socialism that must be avoided at all costs. Well that cost is absurdly high!

    We have one of the highest incarcerated population (per capita) for a supposedly Developed Country. And 60% of them do not have even a high-school degree. From the NCES here:


    If the US has got to do something about its high Crime Rate, having private companies build/run more prisons is merely a palliative. The source of the problem is out educational system that is outdated and insufficiently funded.

    Were the Federal Government (Dept. of Education) obliged to help fund both Secondary AND Tertiary education, there might be a solution. How do I know that?

    Because that is what the Social Democracy called the European Union does and it has far lower crime-rates.

    Duhhhhhhhhhhhh ....
     
  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From here: Intentional Homicide Country Police Recorded Cases per 100,000 population:

    Statistics are funny "things". One must be careful to compare only what is comparable. Which is why the US (at 5 in the above table) should be compared with the aggregate value of the EU. (Which is somewhere around 1.5 !)

    Now you tell me, from the point of view of ONLY the above statistic, where would you prefer to live if personal safety were your prime consideration!

    Of course, personal safety is NOT the prime consideration of most people. Just one of many.

    But, those figures above is a damn good reason why this American has decided to remain in Europe - along with the 3 to 6 million that the best estimates provide ...
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WHY DID THEY EVEN BOTHER TO VOTE!?!

    And you are blinded to the facts. SHE DID WIN BY A LANDSLIDE IN THE POPULAR-VOTE! By a very healthy margin (in our two party system of voting) of 2.1%!

    Replicants, I propose, are ignorant of the factual evidence. The Electoral College historically in 5 historical instances has produced a PotUS other than the one with the majority vote-winning margin! That's a True Democracy? Or maybe just a "democracy" in name only?

    The Electoral College is a HOAX! Its vote-counting is "First-past-the-post" (like horse racing) in which
    the losing votes are all binned, destroyed, burnt and forgotten! Why did they even bother to vote!

    The EC was (and still is) an anachronism from the get-go! But, our found fathers were hell-bent on creating a nation to defend themselves from a British King who never ceded the Revolutionary War. (His General simply ended the fighting at Gettysburg.) So, they caved in to southern demands for the Electoral College.

    Besides in 1787 the were oblivious to the notion that the EC would be manipulated by Gerrymandering by parties in order to obtain a majority vote of the population.

    The True History of our democracy is not something to be overly proud about given the circumstances that would lead eventually to the Civil War in which 620,000 would die fighting over the matter of human slavery!

    When slavery had been outlawed in most of Europe before the 1850s*. And I'll bet no one ever TAUGHT YOU THAT in Civics Class!

    From here:
    Whereupon the newly-freed black-slaves took a great-long-time before participating truly equitably in the voting process. But that too is a bit of American history that is not well known. So, here is a worthwhile read: Race and Voting in the Segregated South
     
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    This forum may as well be renamed to "Trump Forum" seeing as you people are unable to talk about anything else.

    Oppose mass immigration? You're a racist.
    Oppose unvetted "migrants"? You're a racist.
    Not a Left-winger? You're a racist.
    Left-winger but you're a Moderate? Damn bruh, you're a bloody racist!
    Criticize Islam? Well I'll be damned, you're a racist!
    Want common sense, Australian-style immigration? Bloody heavens, it's racist time!
    Want people to move back to their countries and instead improve the situation there? You know the drill.

    Trump could cure cancer and the news headlines would be "Trump destroys cancer research, leaving hundreds of doctors and researchers unemployed!".

    The word "racist" have lost all meaning because people throw it around like candy in a candy store.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you are noting above is nothing but "name calling" and it's a poor substitute for "debate" in what is supposed to be a "debate forum".

    Debate requires intelligence and the ability to justify ones arguments with factual evidence - which is not in abundant supply around here ...
     
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    Right. Once again, the argument is nothing more than innuendo. "Everyone can see that" is not an argument. Do you have anything a little more tangible?
     
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    Debate requires being able to formulate oneself in a consistent and coherent manner, using whatever evidence one have to support their claim and to put them forth in a presentable manner.

    This thread is nothing more than subjective, like a lot of other threads like it. I see no point in debating something people won't agree on to begin with.

    Trump supporters don't see what he is doing as racist. Those who oppose him does.
     
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  10. LafayetteBis

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    The purpose of debate is NOT to generate general consensus regarding an issue or a matter.

    It's purpose is to present the facts (often in summary form) in order to expose all the points of view.

    There need not be any "winner" or "loser" in a Debate Forum.

    But there must be good, solid argumentation based upon factual posted evidence. What results nonetheless remains just a personal opinion ...
     
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    Take a deep breath a relax fella. You are now attributing motives to me, and you don't even know me at all. I am not attacking you, so you can calm down a bit.
    Saying something is a fact, does not make it a fact. I am not being intentionally oblivious, I am reserving judgement until I see proof. That is how I have to operate in my life. I can't just say something is something, because I want it to be that way. If your doctor saw that it was flu season, so ONLY treated people for the flu no matter what the objective symptoms were, you would get a better doctor. You can't operate that way and come to a good conclusion.

    I honestly have no idea what income inequality has to do with what you quoted. Is that a response to me, or just something you needed to get off your chest?

    "And the politically blind to the facts or fixated on an outdated political philosophy, like you, say it is all about Rabid Socialism that must be avoided at all costs. Well that cost is absurdly high!"
    Where did I say that? If you want to be a socialist, I don't care at all. It is when you try to force me to do it that I have a problem.
     
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    You are totally at odds with our founders and framers who knew very well that the tyranny of a majority is every bit as bad as the tyranny of a despot. Hence the electoral college.

    You cannot gerrymander states.

    England outlawed slavery in the country but kept up a very active slave trading operation.

    Everyone knows that it took a long time for freed slaves to get accepted in the culture, for voting and lots of other stuff. They were diligently kept like slaves by an active Democrat party and their quasi-military arm, the KKK. Republicans could not fight the Democrat stranglehold until Eisenhower broke the ice and Sen Dirksen, Rep. from Illinois, made the Civil Rights Act happen

    Take away Hillary's popular vote lead in one state, California, and Trump wins the US popular vote. County by county Trump creamed Hillary.
     
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    Diligently and deliberately dividing the country into factions was standard operating procedure for Obama
     
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    If you remove the black and Hispanic crimes, how does the US compare to European nations? If you want to "compare only what is comparable", then you should equalize for the variables if you are going to compare the US to mostly homogeneous European nations. Black people are 13% of the population and commit more than half of all murders. That is a significant variable don't you think? What if you compare Europe to Vermont? Vermont violent crime rate is 1.6 per 1000.
     
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    Name calling is all you lefties do. You don't know what debate is. I quote you Laffy "Replicants, I propose, are ignorant of the factual evidence". Glad to see you're above the name calling.
     
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    I think you are right- it's a brand new game, which is one of the reasons dems hate Trump- they don't know how to play it.
     
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    And only 4 counties in CA.
     
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    A more realistic planet than the one you orbit.

    Income disparity is a strawman argument to defend theft and despotism which socialism

    The fact is income disparity does no harm whatsoever

    Socialists just beat the dead horse to stir up envy
     
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    It is not specifically a racist trope it is nothing more than an old insult used against everyone and anyone

    It was not a racist tweet
     
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    No
     
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    Wealth is much more than after tax income

    It includes assets such as real estate and stock ownership

    Few live in abject poverty as poverty is relative and subjective

    Most who live under the poverty line here are quite well off compared to people in this world **** holes.
     
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    Oh, I forgot to mention, I counted Obama as one of those twelve presidents, sorry.

    Twelve presidents and I didn't learn a thing. How dumb is that. I guess I was sleeping when those twelve passed by my bedroom window. Even LBJ and Nixon weren't as bad as this thug that slithered into the White House. I'll give them this, LBJ and Nixon didn't deliberately divide the nation, Trump has, and he continues to divide and spew hatred, anger and fear. His rallies are the biggest hate and anger show in town.

    I'll give LBJ and Nixon this too, they had functioning brains. They also avoided grabbing the ***** of every female within grabbing distance. They hated Russia (USSR) and loved America. Trump seems to have trouble keeping the straight. Obama? Not a whiff of scandal, a devoted family man, a man of decency and character, and a decent president. I know why the Trumpets hated Obama, and you do too. Obama didn't do one thing to deliberately divide America. Tell me what he did.
     
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    Let's look at history more cooly

    LBJ had only one objective - "What's best for Texas must be better for the rest of the US!" He plunged right into the hell of Vietnam convinced that Uncle Sam could swiftly win "that pocket-war over in the boonies"! Wow! Did he ever get that wrong, wrong, wrong!

    And Bull-headed Nixon was so sick mentally he had great difficulty in telling the difference between Good, Bad and Stoopid - as Watergate aptly proved!

    If America wants to play catch-up to countries that have taken the bull-by-the-horns it must look at the European Union. Which is light-years ahead of the US in two principle advantages.

    And that means genuine (1) low-cost genuine National Health Care to obtain the same lifespan as in Europe, as well as free (2) nearly free Tertiary Education to give our people the means with which to compete in a world that has changed swiftly as a result of the Information Age ... !
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, if you looked close enough, you will see that I actually GIVE THE FACTUAL EVIDENCE!

    Open your eyes ... !
     
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    White people are mostly the Super-Rich who have gathered millions that would have been better spent taxed and employed to help the poor (including blacks) out of poverty by insisting upon more money spent on Education. Which distinguishes most of our population in terms of earning. See here:

    You see the world in only two-dimensions. Those who succeeded and those who are criminally imprisoned - and deduce that "colour is the reason".

    Europe as the same problem, but the reason for comparative poverty that generates crime is not colour but religion. More Muslims are responsible for crime in Europe than Christians.

    Does that mean the problem is one of either Colour or Religion. No, not at all. It is one of a lack of fundamental education that allows children to get a decent job. Such that they need not revert to crime to get "the things" that everybody else has. (Like a classy car.)

    You think human-nature is decided by the colour of one's skin? Have you ever got that wrong! See here:
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    It is influenced more so by one's intellectual competence in a world speeding into the Information Age and coming out of the Industrial Age! Both blacks and hispanics need to obtain a higher educational level in order to "join" the higher income categories.

    And that achievement can only be obtained by Federal insertion into the state-level educational process to assure that it is of the requisite quality (meaning adequate budgets) ... !
     

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