Iran Seizes Two UK-Operated Tankers

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Iran think they are the Barbary Pirates.

    Yesterday the USS Boxer shot down an Iranian drone. The scuttlebutt is that U.S. Marines on the Boxer took out the drone.

    So what's Iran really up too ?

    Some sources are saying that Iran hates Trump so much and want a liberal back in the White House so bad that they are agitating both the USA and the UK hoping that President Trump will bomb bomb bomb Iran that will hurt President Trump on being reelected.


    Iran Seizes Two UK-Operated Tankers
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    That sounds like pro-Trump propaganda to my ear.

    I don't think the US is Iran's primary focus in doing this. We tend to overestimate our own importance when considering world affairs.

    However, I think that Iran is banking on Trump not wanting to bomb them. Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he isn't one to take military action. He is all bark and no bite, and he only barks from the safe confines of the US borders (he won't even stand up to a foreign dictator in person).
     
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    Looks like the Brits have their hands full. Good luck to them.
     
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    As you may have noticed, ISIS (Obama's JV Team) was defeated or lets say ISIS no longer has a state.
    Islamic State Iraq Syria.

    How did Trump accomplished that and Obama couldn't ?

    President Trump doesn't micromanage the military like how Obama did with his PC rules of engagement that favored the enemy and caused American troops to bleed and die in the name of political correctness.

    When it comes to the military, Trump is allowing the warriors and generals and admirals to call the shots.
     
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    The Brits like the USA are members of NATO.

    Seizing a ship on the high seas is an act of war.

    NATO was always asking what was their mission since there were no longer any Soviets to kill ?

    It's PUTIN who is having a problem with Iran going rouge again.
     
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    It was a team effort, and accomplished by our outstanding military more than any president approving or not approving suggestions from far more competent generals. But most of the work by far was already done by the time Trump came into office and took credit.

    Interesting how your entire post is off-topic.
     
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    It is just a matter of time and force deployments before Iran loses both its navy AND its nuke program
     
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    The Royal navy is too small to have any real effect until the rest of the ships arrive, which could be weeks...
     
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    It takes time to get other people to fight wars of empire building and ISIS is not defeated it is still fighting in the Levant,that is why it was called ISIL Islamic State in Levant..
     
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    As it was when we took Iran's. Iran is just paying us back. One ship has been released already. The hypocrisy of the West is disgusting. By illegally taking their boat, apparently for the US, Britain invited Iran to do this and now Hunt is acting as if we have been wronged. One law for us another for them. There were no Brits on the boats and everyone seems well. I think Iran was just letting Britain know what it was like to have people committing acts of piracy though it appears there may have been minor transgressions on the boats. Britain knows now if it gets the idea to indulge in piracy again, so will Iran.
     
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    At some point, Iran is going to go too far and there will be weapons exchange. At that point it wont matter who did what anymore as whatever is left of the Iranian aggressor will be considered fair play.
     
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    yeah I don't really see the issue... the British took one of Iran's vessels... now they cry like babies because it's taken.... really...
     
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    But I was assured that Trump was a bloodthirsty warmonger who was going to start WWIII.

    I really wish the Trump haters would get together and get their stories straight. Or better yet, settle it in the Thunderdome.
     
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    This song pretty much sums up how i feel right now.


    I was down in Southern Watch flying my F-16
    When lead called for the picture and AWACS came back “clean”
    But I saw a contact on my scope and it was runnin’ hot
    Although I wasn’t targeted I went ahead and shot
    Now I never even noticed that my nose was pointed east
    And that Iranian fighter pilot was surprised to say the least
    I tried to take it back but by then it was too late
    And a million angry Arabs started heading for Kuwait

    So here’s to you fighter pilots victors of the war
    That got us all this real estate that’s backed up to the shore
    And now oil’s a buck a barrel and it’s all because of me
    ‘Cause I’m the *********ker who started World War III

    Now you knew the ****in’ French would have to get into the mess
    American audacity well it had to be addressed
    So they sent their fighters to the sky but it was all in vain
    As they sought asylum in the American commonwealth of Spain
    So the English crossed the channel and it was a sight to see
    When the queen dropped down her trousers and she **** on Normandy
    And if you think we were happy when we drank all of their wine
    You should’ve seen the Polacks when they got to cross the Rhine

    So here’s to you fighter pilots victors of the war
    That got us all this real estate that’s backed up to the shore
    And now they whistle Dixie in the streets of gay Paris
    ‘Cause I’m the *********ker who started
    The Chinese threatened action when we overran Saigon
    And then a thousand drunken frat boys had to moon them from Taiwan
    But the bombing of the embassy in Moscow broke the ice
    Now that was just an accident and it happened only twice
    So they launched their MiGs two by two never to return
    No matter how much we shot ‘em down they never seemed to learn
    Their suicidal bravery made us feel bad for them
    So on Tuesdays it was heaters only, Wednesday BFM

    So here’s to you fighter pilots victors of the war
    That got us all this real estate that’s backed up to the shore
    And now China’s just a word that you read in history
    ‘Cause I’m the *********ker who started World War III



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    "Cry like babies..." Nope, not seeing it.
     
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    From Sputnik:
    Liberian-Flagged Tanker Mesdar Not Seized By Iranian Officials
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    The Liberian-flagged oil tanker Mesdar has not been seized by Iranian officials, military sources told Iran's Tasnim News Agency on Friday.

    Despite reports and remarks from UK Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt that the Mesdar had been detained by Iran, regional military officials have indicated that the vessel was never seized by Iran, rather it was let off with a warning after reportedly disobeying regulations.

    "Despite reports, the ship has not been seized ... and was allowed to continue its course after being warned about safety issues by Iranian forces," Tasnim's report reads.

    According to the Fars News Agency, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had issued warnings to the oil tanker over its adherence to safe navigation practices and environmental standards.

    Moments prior, Hunt had indicated in a statement that the Mesdar had been seized in the Strait of Hormuz following reports that the Stena Impero had been detained. "These seizures are unacceptable," Hunt said before noting that he was "extremely concerned."

    Owner Norbulk Shipping UK later clarified, saying the Mesdar had been boarded by armed personnel at approximately 5:30 p.m. British Summer Time (GMT+1), but that the personnel had departed without incident. Norbulk said the vessel is now "free to continue its voyage" and that its crew are safe and well.
     
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    I don't know why a Trump hater would say that about him. If they're going to hate Trump, they really ought to do it for truthful reasons.
     
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    I think the whatever ships our navy has over there should protect all the other ships passing through the straight until the navies from the impacted countries arrive. Regarding the captured ships, this is not a US deal just yet, it's a problem for the Brits. Let them take whatever action they want while we completely support them and have their backs. But unless we are fired upon, not a single US ship or plane should fire a single shot. If Iran shoots at one of our ships or planes then all bets are off and they have to live with the consequences.
     
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    I think we should have destroyers escorting ships through the straight. If the Iranians want to mess with shipping they can mess with us directly.
     
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    Fair enough. I can agree with that. But I don't think we should attack Iran because they did something to another country. We should only retaliate if they attack us. What do think about that notion?
     
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    IMO the west should crank up the trade sanctions ever tighter in the hope that Iran will finally get the message and possibly their people may finally revolt with help from the west (unlike the "do nothing" Barack Obama) against the Islamist rulers of Iran. These are British ships but very strong allies of the US and very strong allies of many other nations. There should be no form of ransom paid for the release of the ships and sailors as well.
     
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    I agree fully.
     
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    They are ships coming from or going to Saudi ports. Why is the Kingdom not carrying the load?
     
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    Russians, :)
     
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    Obama relinquished control of Syria to the Russians. How soon the left forgets.
     

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