America's libertarian capitalism is collapsing

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    I can tell you aren't trying. Food RX will get coupons that will save up to 80% if you have medicare or medicaid your can get it for greatly reduced prices, If you are a native American you can get it for Free or at greatly reduced prices, if You are a vet ditto.
    If we could get dem or REp congressmen to repeal a 70 year old law that limits production of insulin to three companies repealed the price would drop like a stone tomorrow.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    And every paper in the country would have been ignoring the poor guy and assuming the rich guy was guilty before the trial started...
     
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    There is no such thing as "libertarian capitalism".
     
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    We've seen what happens when the government is handed unlimited power by a political party. We've seen good people bankrupted into guilty pleas after losing everything they've worked for. You are correct to an extent, but it's not capitalists that should be feared. It's the unlimited government power espoused by America's socialist party.
     
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    Please try to avoid directing personal attacks at members of this forum.
    Just share your knowledge and insights without the insults.
     
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    I disagree. I do think the government itself is corrupt like any other government but I don't see the same thing in the political system.

    They are not so called. They are called political action committees or PACS. You overestimate the ease with which public office holders can be bought. Most of those that do become "bought" are caught and run out of office. Some even face the judicial system and some are in prison.
    No, if anything they are puppets of their political parties.
    The opposite is true. laws are passed that help business. That is good for a capitalist economy. Legilation aimed to help rich people directly simply doesn't happen. The laws not aimed a business apply to everyone equally.

    We have a large bill for health care because we have 325 million people and an expensive health care system. I won't write a book about why it is so expensive but it is expensive. The health care itself is first class. Before you call it insane and disgusting, you should experience it and understand what you are talking about.

    We are a republic with a representative democratic political system. It is not a dictatorship in any sense. Capitalism is an economic system, not a political one and is the best economic system on earth. We certainly don't apologize for it.
    You think you enjoy the freedom of speech and you can call the president's name.
    Can you call the names of his donors? They will sue your ass till you are broke and terribly sorry.
    We do have quite a bit of freedom but certainly not as much as we had 50 years ago. Elected politicians tend to become corrupt just like they do in any system, including your country, wherever that is. But they are elected, can be removed from office and have an aggressive press watching them.
     
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    Please avoid attacking members of the forum personally.
     
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    North Korea is not a republic. Calling it one doesn't make it one. It is a dictatorship. I'm astonished by your naivete.
     
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    You're fairly close with your critique. I'm not sure "capitalist dictatorship" is the best description, but certainly "fascist oligarchy" is pretty close.
     
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    It is not a dictatorship

    It was never meant to be a democracy it is a republic.

    Yes you can call the name of any donor
     
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    Demanding the labor of others as your right to take is not compassion
     
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    North Korea is not a republic no matter how much they call themselves one.
     
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    Avoid the use of ad hominem - you do not need it.
    Just address the issue of rights vs. privileges to make your point,
     
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    FP is new here resist the temptation to exchange punches. It takes time to adjust to our rules.
     
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    Fascist oligarchy? We are finally getting some humor into the discourse.
     
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    That’s an attack? Wow. Ok. Hopefully one day human souls will learn the difference between the dead and living, and philosophers will learn the meaning of GIGO.

    BTW: You his mother?

    Also, you, go away, he who is not a Robin singing in the spring, but what keeps them singing to the summer.
     
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    I Googled 'Koch Brothers corruption' - lots of hits.

    THE HUFFINGTON POST, Corruption In Action: Koch Brothers Position Themselves For Mar-a-Lago Chat With Trump, This makes a mockery of Trump’s pledge to drain the Washington swamp., By David Halperin, Contributor, 04/10/2017.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/corr...osition-themselves_b_58ebbb57e4b0145a227cb71a
     
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    yes, it is called lazy fair capitalism.

    in france they call it 'laissez-faire'

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/laissez-faire
     
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    You can get all the insulin you
    You can get all the insulin you want for free. Sneak across the border and back in and approach a border agent. Tell him/her you're from Honduras and you want asylum. When they put you in detention ask to see a doctor. Democrats will tax the middle class into the Stone Ageto give you healthcare if they think you are here illegally and will be a dedicated Democrat voter.
     
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    The official name is the People's Republic of North Korea. There have been more than a dozen People's Republics in the history of the world they all have two things in common. None of them are actually republics, and in all of them the paople are as far removed from the political decision making process as possible
     
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    Your political ideology is "wacky". That's a technical term in political science.
     
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    Almost - more like foster care. ;-)
     
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    BTW. I agree that there is a fundamental problem with the way we deal with pharmaceuticals. Doesn't take long to figure out from the annual report of, say, Pfizer, that production costs for the drugs are minuscule relative to R&D costs and Clinical Trials. The latter costs are huge. So, when other countries tell the pharmaceuticals what they will pay for their products, they are basically telling the companies how much of the development costs Americans will pick up for the rest of the world. It is unfair, but not a feature of capitalism. It's a bug of a free market having to interact with tightly controlled markets. The answer should be in the form of a treaty or to regulate the pharma's so they have to take a harder line with other countries. A regulation might look something like: Charge whatever you need to cover costs and earn a profit, as long as Americans don't pay a dime more than you charge people in other countries.
     
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