Safe House Act- Something that will actually lower gun violence.

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  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Every person in the house hold must prove that they can use a gun both competently and that they are not a risk to themselves or someone else.

    If anyone fails no one in the house hold is allowed to own a gun. This prevents a gun from being stolen by a family member that should not have a gun and prevents little kids from getting the gun and accidentally shooting themselves or others.

    Not only would this be constitutional, but it would bar probably 10s of millions of current legal gun owners from being allowed to own a gun.
     
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    Very well intentioned gun owners, just like every one else in life, make careless stupid mistakes like putting a loaded gun down somewhere where a child can reach it.Happened to an older guy I know, his very young grandchild picked up his gun and wound up shooting herself,it destroyed the grandfathers life, his wife left him and his daughter the child's mother no longer spoke to him.
     
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    So now 3 year olds will have to pass a background check, and demonstrate their ability to load, u load, clean, and fire every weapon in a house?


    Since more kids die in swimming pools, I guess parents need to go to jail if every person in the house with a pool is not govt certified to live there.


    BTW, how will this prevent a single instance of violence?
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Yes

    Because now if someone is a risk with a gun, no gun can even be in the house, even if their the brother of a Nobel peace prize winner
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Progressives love terms like ageist and ableist.

    Progressives like policies like the one suggested here.

    Progressives are really good at never letting their ideology get in the way of their ideology.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    This law would have stopped a majority of school shooters but conservatives don't want that.
     
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    It's one thing to predict cause and effect in imaginary systems.

    It's quite another to cause an effect in practice.

    You have no idea what effect your policy would have in practice. It would be close to impossible to tell, in fact, even if it was put in practice. Policy does not stop behavior. It simply changes it.

    In practice, millions of homes of disabled, children, infirmed, or elderly would be left as defenceless targets of criminals. They would know that no gun could be legally present in the home. In practice, school shooters may simply switch to fire bombing, like what took place recently in Japan. In practice, people would simply lie about the occupants of their home. In practice certifying every household member would be impractical. Does every cop have to have such a household? Does every bank security guard?

    Social engineers always seek to control what goes on in individual minds, but they are always such terrible predictors of what those things actually are.
     
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    DOA

    WA already passed a law requiring 'safe storage' of firearms (they failed to include any meaningful definition of that in the law...) in 2018. Since then, 3/4 of the county jurisdictions in the state are refusing to enforce it. Some because its undefined, others because its enforcement is unconstitutional: LE cant cant enter your home without invitation, probable cause or a warrant, and few jurisdictions have the manpower for regular 'safe storage' checks anyway.

    You really think LE is going to run a firearm search/seizure operation everytime someone has a baby?
     
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    Foster homes.
    Sleep overs
    A friend in a guest bedroom
    Bed and breakfast / Airbnb
    Roommates

    Hey, if I shelter a battered woman at my home, does she need to be certified before I can defend her from her abuser with a firearm?
     
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    Shall not be infringed!

    End of story!!!!!!
     
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    No, what will stop school shootings is to get rid of the stupid "Gun Free Zones".

    When was the last time a gun store, gun range, gun show or police department where guns and ammo are most prevalent had a mass shooting????
     
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    Violence is effective.

    It's not going to stop.
     
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    Progressives also support the drug war, next.
     
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    A gunfree zone does not mean no one is armed
     
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    OP= more 'how can we punish law abiding gun owners'?

    The vast majority of shootings are gang violence committed by career criminals with illegally obtained handguns. If reducing violence is your goal, they should be your priority. But your priority seems to be trying to make legally owning a gun difficult for people like me who've never shot anyone and hope to keep it that way.

    You'll never get anything beneficial accomplished willfully barking up the wrong tree...
     
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    The point is that society is an incredibly complex system. When a progressive attempts to control an aspect of society, they don't consider how their changes effect the entire system. They only focus on how they imagine the change will effect whatever it is they are attempting to control.

    Too many people in jail for drug offenses? Make drug use legal. Oh crap, where did all these drug addicted homeless people come from? Must be because housing is too expensive. Let's raise the minimum wage, raise taxes, and build more homes. Whoa, now there's even more drug addicted homeless people, and the streets are filled with feces and trash. Must be racism. Let's blame the cops, reduce the penalty for street crimes, and write a really lovely play about inclusivity that everyone must watch every day after they wake up and before they go to bed. Oh my gosh. All the homeless people just got the plague and died. Must be anti vaxxers.....etc
     
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    Which is why this act is utterly ridiculous.

    Sackeshi - Maybe we can do the same for car ownership. If a 3 yr old can’t demonstrate an ability to operate a car then no one in the house can own a car. Would you be onboard with that???
     
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    It's easy to determine how many people live in a house hold due to registration data, also the law would require a house inspection to find and count the birth certificates.

    Funny you mention Japan where guns are almost non existent and less than 400 murders per year out of a population of 126M.

    Fire bombing would do much less damage than shooting in schools
     
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    Any police chief who refused to require enforcement would be jailed and held liable for any person who commits a gun crime who would have been stopped. When they start going to jail they would start enforcement.
     
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    Unconstitutional interference in people's daily lives seems to be a thing for leftist worshipers of ever expanding government. Ever considered getting treatment for that severe case of gunphobia?
     
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    They average around 1400 murders per year.
     
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    They would be barred due to having PTSD and being jumpy also yes. Unless they can prove no psychological trama no gun
     
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    Kids don't drive so false comparison
     
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    Isn't that backwards? You have to prove no psychological trauma. That is most likely impossible to prove.
     
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    I hate to burst your bubble but it totally happened on the first Terminator movie.

    Owned!
     
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