The gun control board should be a sub set of "civil rights"

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  1. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

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    Because gun rights are civil rights and deserve the same protections as speech, religion, voting and non discrimination.
    The right to keep and bear arms is not a secondary civil right. It is equal or greater than every other ammendment.
     
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    Nah, so-called civil rights are determined by laws, our gun rights are defined by a Constitutional amendment. The two are not compatible. Too many of today's gun grabbers do not seem to grasp the difference now, but they sure are trying to blur the difference...
     
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    The constitution is a legal document. The 2nd amendment is a law.
     
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    Ultimately, you only have the right to that which you're willing to fight to the death to exercise. Given the mindset of the people I know, it seems the right to bear arms and the right to own property are the two rights conservatives would fight to the death for. It doesn't matter what legislators jot down on paper and mumble before banging gavels, we will keep those two rights or fight and die trying.
     
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    I both agree and disagree. Yes, you have a point when you state that gun rights are a sub set of other US civil rights, like the other rights you refer to - in the sense they are all framed by the US Constitution and then interpreted by the Courts. In that context they are no different for example to the various civil rights issues decided by the Supreme Court.

    I disagree with the last part of your statement - i.e. 'It is equal or greater than every other ammendment'. You cannot argue that any one particular right as defined in the US Constitution is more or less valuable than any other. They all stand (or fail) together. One particular right can never be more, or less valuable than another. And if this ever proves to be case then it is time to tear your Constitution up and start again.
     
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    That was my point. The 2nd ammendment is just as important as the first, or any of the others. There seem to be a lot of people who don't believe the 2nd ammendment is on the same par with for example, the right to feee speech. If they did they'd stop calling for limitations to it.

    And just for clarification the constitution doesn't define our rights. It acknowledges that those rights exist. The constitution doesn't give us anything. That's what makes thr constitution great. It's entirely about limiting government.
     
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    I’m not sure it matters either way in practice but I'd argue the opposite position for the same reason. That “Gun Control” has its own special section rather than just being another sub-section under “Civil Rights” is (wrongly) deeming it more important than all the others.
     
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    And that is why it has it's own section that is equal in level to the Civil Rights forum.
     
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    Civil rights are guaranteed by the Constitution (The Bill of Rights for the most part concern civil rights). Gun rights are one example of civil rights.
     
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    The Second Amendment is part of the Constitution, it is not a law. Please study some more basic civics.
     
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    The constitution is the law of the US, lol. You better take your own advise and learn basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    They don't teach civics anymore.
     
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    Advice not advise.

    I reread your post. You wrote it awkwardly, which is why I think you made a strange claim unintentionally.

    Basically speaking, the 2nd Amendment is law (meaning that it is part of the legal structure), but it is not "a law." (which refers to a statute passed by the legislature).
     
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    Gun rights are similar to voting, holding office, and serving on juries - rights to participate in your political community. They aren't as personal as freedom of speech and religion.
     
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    The united state supreme court has ruled otherwise. The second amendment is no different than the first amendment, meaning it does not have to be used to better the community in order to be a legal exercising.

    The only way to argue otherwise, that the second amendment is supposed to be used to participate in the political community, is if it is being stated it is meant to enable and facilitate private citizens to kill dangerous individuals who pose a clear and present danger to society at large. Which would ultimately mean it is legal to shoot and kill the like of domestic terrorists, drug dealers, rapists, and numerous others who do nothing but cause harm to others.
     

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