Trump A Racist? 32% of Democrats Say Any White Criticism of Politicians of Color Is Racist

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Very true with brainwashed and indoctrinated youth. They have been taught to believe a political agenda instead of receiving an actual education which explains why we are having to import highly educated people from other countries to fill many of our engineering and math oriented type jobs.
     
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    The Congress is not being run by four first term congresswomen. The point here is that the President thought they all had "hell holes" outside of this country to return to. He has never told anyone else that. It is also similar to a phrase used during the civil rights movement about "going back to Africa". You will notice no one is telling Ted Cruz to go back to Canada.
    Isn't this an attempt to deny them their 1st amendment rights?
    If the President is really about putting America First why isn't he putting all Americans first?
    In a world that contains many problems (Iran, N. Korea, soldiers dying in the Middle East, economic War with China, Russian muscle flexing, etc.) why has this become a focus of this President and his supporters?
     
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    You mean that of those polled not the entire population in the USA..The poll represent .00001% of the voting populace..
     
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    You didn’t answer my question as to whether you really believe 32% of Democrats think nay criticism of “Politicians of Colour” is automatically racism? If you accept the accuracy of that result is open to question, you can’t take any of the other results on face value. If you don’t accept that the accuracy of that result is open to question, I can’t take your opinion on face value ;) . I don’t give much credence to this kind of survey even when all the technical details are available. I certainly don’t when they’re hidden behind a paywall.

    Note that the “Trump racist or political gain” question was apparently presented as an either or. “Both” or “neither” don’t appear to have been options despite being viable opinions. They didn’t give the option for “Trump isn’t racist but he is also playing this for political gain” either, which I personally believe is the right answer. :cool:

    This kind of forced binary question in a survey pretty much guarantees a headline-grabbing result regardless of which way it goes. They either get to say “Lots of people think Trump is racist” or “Lots of people think his opponents are political opportunists”. I doesn’t really tell us about the complex mix of opinions and ideas a diverse nation of hundreds of millions of people actually hold. It isn’t meant to, there’s no profit in that.
     
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    The gang of four have put themselves front and center and been Trump's most vocal and radical critics so his rebuttal is naturally going to be focused on them and yes they do currently run the democrats in congress who get called racist if they publicly oppose them. Just ask Nancy about that. She immediately backed down when they called her one.
     
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    A view of racism from the inside, with a high work ethic point of view:

     
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    Yes I do believe the poll and as a previous poster said on the street interviews back it up. Our younger generation is being taught what to think not how to think and they are being taught sociaism-fascism-communism.
     
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    Can you cite where anyone said that? Or are you making things up again?
     
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    As more and more Hispanics get a piece of the pie they're going to start thinking now let's hold what we got, and not throw it away on illegal outsiders coming in to suck away the milk that's ours from the US Treasury teat.

    Because even in the 21st century nobody believes money grows on trees.
     
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    Then you have an even lower opinion of your fellow Americans than I do. Regardless of the extent, I don’t see any reason to believe such ignorance is magically limited to (purported) followers of any particular political party (party followers having much more in common with each other than with true political independents). 32% can’t just be attributed to the “younger generation” either.

    I’m giving your irrelevant rant about “socialism-fascism-communism” all the credit it deserves.
     
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    I think you are purposely denying the obvious truth here but that's whet democrats do so no big surprise. At least you seem a bit embarrassed by the fact that so many democrats believe criticizing a person of color is racist though so there may be hope for you yet.
     
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    Trump and his racist supporters aren't "criticizing" the squad. They want to "send them back". That's not "criticism"., .. that's racism. As a matter of fact, it's Nazism.
     
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    Why would I be embarrassed? I’m not a Democrat, I’m not even American. I’m not denying that lots of people can say stupid things, I’m just saying that all sorts of people can say all sorts of stupid things and I think this survey (or at least the way it is being reported) is designed to focus on one type of people. Nobody wants to believe people like them can do stupid things and so like to focus of others, be that based on politics, age or indeed nationality (I’m not claiming immunity here, just self-awareness :) ).
     
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    By pointing out differences to divide this country and using terms like "race baiters", "Marxists", "socialists", or dividing by ethnology, gender, sexual preference, religion, race, place of origin, region of the country, level of education, or any other characteristic in order to separate "them" from "us." for political gain is known as "Otherism."
    The President and his supporters have used this tool extensively from the first days of his candidacy. He tried to point out Obama was not an American, Republicans who did not agree with him were called "rinos" derogatory nicknames were give candidates who opposed him, chants were developed to lock up or remove those who opposed him, people are criticized because they are not attractive.

    Otherism is, simply, the conscious and willful separation between groups of people based on a characteristic. Recently, in view of other life experiences and especially in terms of political discourse in our country, I’ve started to self-examine the psychology behind the process. I wonder at what cost I and the rest of the American public have internalized a potentially unhealthy social practice.
    https://havokjournal.com/nation/contemporary-affairs/otherism-place/

    But so many of us remain blithely ignorant to this reality. It is much easier to cast... actors as simple straw men with one dimensional goals. This, unfortunately, is a reality that, while... false, is easy to sell. It is a reality that is evoked time and again by those salesmen in power who seek to influence the way in which our thoughts are organized for their own ends. To buy their product. To donate to their cause. To get them re-elected.
    In this ostensibly simple exchange lies the single most dangerous idea that humanity has ever forged. A weapon as old as conscious thought. The...bias responsible for every single episode of human misery and every imparted injustice. That omnipresent wraith known as Otherism.

    Otherism: the exclusion of a person based on their perceived diversions from an acceptable norm.

    https://grantsamms.com/2015/03/29/otherism-the-single-most-dangerous-idea-in-the-world/
     
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    No, not necessarily--and certainly not that alone. In fact, such name calling could be an accurate statement of fact, simply reflecting an uncomfortable truth. I think being a racist involves being against a specific group of people for a general physical difference or a cultural difference, and treating them with a general & habitual lack of respect in your everyday life.
     
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    It basically means that when they are told what to think and not how to think for themselves.
     
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    While I admit I'm a liberal Democrat who has so far failed to identify one single policy of Trump's that I agree with, I admit you are partly right in your post. I agree that part of Trump's attack on the four Congresswomen was based on politics--and Trump has attacked white opponents with much of the same ferocity, I don't recall him ever suggesting any white opponents--even the strongest political ones--should consider leaving the U.S. This would indicate the possibility at least, of some attached racism being involved with this particular action. Add the fact that Trump has continued in his belief that 5 young black men accused of murder in NY were guilty & deserved punishment, who were formally cleared of guilt by police forensic experts. And, the fact that over time, Trump declined to rent to black applicants in his real estate business, all imply a racist attitude by Trump toward blacks. Add to that his more recent racist remarks toward Mexicans & other Latinos during his Presidential campaign & his Presidency, & you're left with the truth that Trump acts & behaves like a racist, even though in his own mind, he may be unwilling to accept that truth.
     
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    This is the question:

    2* Is it racist for a white politician to criticize the political views of a politician of color?

    I failed to see where political affiliation is mentioned.
     
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    "If you're not with us, you are against us." That accusation is would be by Bush and his supporters.
     
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    It is not racist to criticize someone of color for their political views. However when your criticism is partly due to their identity it becomes racist. One can object to what another says but when one links it to their heritage it becomes a different story.
     
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    Are Black people only having Black friends or just wanting to hang out with other Black people, is that RACIST or just Tribalism.
     
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    Ahhh yes the standard distortions of things Trump has said and calling it racist to point out that many if not most of these illegal women are raped by the coyotes bringing them here. That's just as racist to some as saying the gang of four is free to leave I guess.
     
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    Trump said they can leave any time they want and probably should but he never said "send them back" just like the other great liberal lie of "hands up don't shoot".
     
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    Never happened. Quote him saying 'all' or you're full of it.
     
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    You are embarrassed because you generally side with the American left and Democrats in here and this makes them look pretty stupid
     

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