Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

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  1. James Evans

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    It's not like Trump's lies aren't easy to fact-check. It's documented.

    His most repeated claim? That "the wall is being built". 172 times. The fact is that congress has balked at funding his concrete barrier. His claim that "it's being built" is referring to bollard fencing and repairs to the existing barriers as "the wall is being built". Doesn't being lied to and/or mislead bother you? Obviously most of his base doesn't care. Reminds me of this jewel.

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    Make voter ID free for all and I have no problem with it. Otherwise it constitutes a poll tax, which is against the law. And those individuals without proof of citizenship are overwhelmingly the poor and minorities, those more likely to vote DEM. It's pretty transparent why Repubs are pushing for it and thank goodness most courts have smacked down these proposed laws like gnats on a pile of dung.
     
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    He started his term in office with a lie. Remember that he swore to defend the Constitution yet he is attempting circumvent it by trying to use executive orders to get useless things done.

    Speaking of lies he keeps saying that Mexico will pay for the wall.
     
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    How are such individuals without proof of citizenship?
     
  5. James Evans

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    Lost their SS card? No ID because they can't afford it? I mean there are lots of scenarios. Lots of homeless people don't have proof. Should the homeless lose their right to vote? How about the poor? The elderly that cannot afford and/or don't have transportation to the DMV?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever hear of absentee voter ballot? With voting rights comes a little bit of responsibility.
     
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    10,000 in 2 years? The media and it's followers lie more than Trump does. Somehow others have the moral high ground in all of this? Yea, right.....

    Do you even understand the picture you posted and it's context?
     
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    It really is pathetic to see the kind of weak, and obviously false rationalizations and lies you conjure up in order to continue to defend the moron you voted for.

    You’re trying to pretend taht the media created a myth that Trump is a liar. That’s asinine!

    Maybe your orange hero will send you a box of Trump Steaks! It seems as though Trumpster hope (along with Trumpster gullibility) springs eternal!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is how Democrats rig the system:[​IMG]
     
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    Obama was a million times worse than that.

    Because they are sold to the financial elites who want to transform USA into another Honduras as fast as possible.

    Didn't Obama lies bother you? He claimed to be a socialist yet everything he ever did was to increase the poverty and to take the money from the poor and to give it to the rich.

    The situation is much worse with the Obama/Clinton/Biden/Sanders voters. They don't care even when their leaders increase the poverty 100 times - even if those politicians completely destroy the country, for those voters, such politicians are still the greatest politicians ever.

    They will never give up until they transform the USA into another Honduras. This is the real problem.
     
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    Lies I conjure up? lol

    That's pretty rich from a guy that thinks Trump lied 10K times in 2 years.
     
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    Why not just limit voting to American citizens? The rich and poor alike have equal opportunities to vote and to register to vote.
     
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    The guy was talking about poll taxes not non citizens voting.
    Of course only citizens should be allowed to vote.
     
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    thank you for that marvelous example of prejudice.

    Illan Omar has done more for her country (America) than most flag waving fat white americans in MAGA hats appear to have. She had the balls to run for public office and get elected by her fellow citizens to represent them in the nation's congress Not bad for a brown person from a poor crappy country who want's to transform America into a south american nation. I guess because she knows it would a bit of a stretch to transform american into an African one.
     
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    Lol ok your preaching to the choir yes absentee ballots but thats not the law certain states are trying to pass. But ones who don’t see others rights being infringed upon are destined to lose their own.
     
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    Ok I don’t agree with a post of no statistics just the word fact but ok I hear you. Then let’s do away with the electoral college and make it just the popular vote. That way everyone votes count and aren’t taken away by bigger states.
     
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    For the people like you, anything coming from the people who disagree with you is a proof of "racism". You learn from CNN/NYT/Washington Post etc to dislike, to ridicule and to hate anyone who dares to be worried about mass immigration.

    Yes, in order to continue the work of Obama and to drag almost everyone into extreme poverty: to send all the jobs to China, to increase the trade deficit, to increase the budget deficit, to increase the public debt, to take the money from the poor and to give it to the rich to pay for bailouts, for overpriced private housing, for overpriced private education, for overpriced supplies for the public hospitals, for useless infrastructure investments, to give trillions of dollars to the criminal bankers (ever heard of JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America?) in Quantitative Easing (printing/creating money) which creates inflation and poverty, to waste one trillion dollars on countering the invented "Russian threat" and so on. Also to help ISIS to destroy Syria.
    She doesn't work for the country, she works for the financial elite - for the plutocracy - who control a lot of politicians, from both political parties. She is just like Bush, Obama, Clinton, Biden and Sanders.

    Yes it's a bit more difficult to transform USA into another African country. But the international bankers and their puppet politicians are working very hard to transform the European countries into African countries.

    I do not believe the people like you are bad people. It is easy for anyone to see how the media is convincing the people like you to support these "wonderful" politicians to collapse the economy and the society of the USA. They flood the news with messages from "experts in economy" who try to convince the people that we need more speculation and more debt - and then again we get a speculation and debt crisis. If you look through the whole history of USA, it is a history of periodic economic crisis created by the banks and of political decisions to take the money from the poor and to give it to the rich, "in order to fix the economy" as responses to the crisis.
    The mainstream media is teaching the people like you that you are smarter, superior, more intelligent and more sophisticated than the people who are worried about mass immigration. They teach you that you have to despise and to hate them. The media doesn't care about logic, they know the people have no time and no energy to make sense of all that enormous amount of nonsense they are pouring in.
    The media is controlling the people by creating feelings. Ridicule, despise, dislike and hate - this is how they are convincing the people to support certain politicians and to hate others, this is how they are driving the people towards disaster.

    In the end, both me and you will suffer from the economic disaster the international bankers are preparing for us. It will not matter anymore who was wrong and who was right. This is the real problem and it will never be solved as long as the people engage into meaningless political debates. This is not a confrontation between Republicans and Democrats. This is not a even confrontation between socialism and capitalism. This is a confrontation of the financial elites against the peaceful people of this world. This is a far larger issue than a political debate.

    I really hope and I pray that you and others like you will wake up soon enough to make a difference for the better. You don't have to become a Republican. You just have to find some decent Democrats that refuse to serve the international bankers. Trump is not perfect yet he made a few right steps into the right direction, which is unprecedented at least since WW2.
     
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    Do you understand we should hold our President to a higher standard?
     
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    Equal opportunity? So money doesn't open doors and make things easier? C'mon, man, get real.
     
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    You mean the people should support politicians like Obama or Biden or Sanders? Because everything they ever did was to do their best to increase the poverty of the Americans. And to take the money from the poor and to give it to the rich.
    If you prefer to vote for Democrats then fine, I was never really convinced by the Republicans also, but don't you think you should actually vote for someone who tries to help the Americans to prosper instead of voting with someone doing their best to drag everyone in extreme poverty?
    Don't you think that you have to understand what is actually going on and what we need from our politicians instead of supporting some certain politicians simply because you were educated/encouraged to like them?
     
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    I feel belittled by your comment. Reported.
     
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    I am from the midwest and Arizona has been my home for over 40 years. Do you think the "flyover states" for one second are going to consent to be ruled by Kalifornia, New York and Massachusetts? Not only are we different geographically but we hold different values. The electoral college has a foundational purpose to our Democratic Republic. If you want statistics I can make some up. Other people do. Somewhere along the line you need to rely on common sense and intuition.
     
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    Yes, money does open doors. That is why so many of us work very hard. It is a choice.
     
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    Sure people make decisions that affect their lives. Some situations are out of their control.

    What a black and white world you live in. I suppose it makes you feel safe and righteous in your beliefs. I sometimes wish I were not so introspective as I am. My life would be much simpler.

    The fact is there are so many variables involved it is rather arrogant for you to say "it is a choice". I'm sure I'll get an infraction for that, but please try to engage me on this conversation.
     
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    You complained about the electoral college and how California is going to get more votes which
    They are not. I need to rely on common sense and intuition. It makes sense that California will remain a blue state and the congress aren’t granting states more votes. After all there would be way more members in the house if that is your argument. We have all settled on a number and it won’t change because of illegal immigrants. Are you angry about migrants or the current number of Electoral votes a larger states possesses?
     
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