This is the gun control legislation Mitch McConnell won't allow senators to vote on

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  1. After-Hour Prowler

    After-Hour Prowler Banned

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    Well tell them I am wearing a tinfoil hat & I hate Warren & Omar.

    The next time I see a Warren sign, I just may vandalize it & I have a dart board with Omar’s face on it.

    Now that should drum up some interest.
     
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  2. Josh77

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    Time has made the 2nd amendment more necessary than ever.
     
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    Unlike the shooter in Ohio.

    "Democratic politicians were quick to condemn guns and blame white supremacy and President Donald Trump’s rhetoric for the horrifying mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso, Texas, only 13 hours apart,"

    "But on his social media account that has been taken down by Twitter, the Dayton gunman identified as a pro-Satan leftist who hated President Trump, The Sun reported."

    "The gunman’s posts to twitter showed he supported U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) for President and also liked U.S. Senator Kamala Harris (D-California)."

    "His tweets showed that the future murderer supported gun control and blamed Republicans for school shootings, The Sun reported."

    Sounds like a what a lot of liberals here believe.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that you are in compliance with the Founding Fathers' "well-regulated" specification because you eat a lot of prunes?

    No amendment is absolute. All are subject to regulation.

     
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    Whoa! Ease up there Lad! The Left (and others) has enjoyed controlling the message until Trump showed up. All of the above are Left/Democrat/Communist/Facist/MSM political talking points. Only the uneducated (in the real world) and mental ill believe it. As to these events there is a root cause and I'm for waiting to see what the investigations bear out. Hopefully it is not politically decided.
     
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  6. Josh77

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    Absolutely. Well regulated during that time meant that the firearm and kit were kept cleaned and in good working order.
    Our guns say the 2nd amendment is absolute.
     
  7. DixNickson

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    and you know this wacko was on political forum? Because he told you so?
     
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    "well regulated" doesn't mean government regulated or government controlled. It means "well functioning" or work in proper order.

    Educate yourself.
     
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    Such as leftists GCA's who commit mass shootings.
     
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    Nah because it was in the news after he shot up wherever it was he shot up (want to say it was an abortion clinic) that he'd posted on "politicalforum.com" for years and his posts were well... obviously unstable.


    https://soldierexecutionerprolifer2008.blogspot.com/2016/07/john-russell-houser-2015-lafayette.html

    I was wrong. Not 15, 16, and not an abortion clinic a theatre.

    ^ Dude was a ****ing wackadoo
     
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    It's nothing but LW virtue signaling. Our new Dem gov in NM passed this, almost all county sheriffs said they wouldn't enforce it, as far as I can tell things go on as before.
     
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    It's what liberals do.
     
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    Very expensive virtue signalling.
     
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    The Founding Fathers specified the context of “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state." They were not referring to firearm hygiene.

    Grammatically, the phrase is an ablative absolute.

    An ablative absolute is a phrase used as part of a sentence, but somewhat detached from the main clause of the sentence in the sense that it does not modify a particular word in the main clause. Rather, it modifies and sets the scene for the idea of the entire main clause...

    the first part of the sentence tells us why people have a right to keep and bear arms and why that shouldn’t be infringed. It sets up a cause/effect relationship. People have a right to keep and bear arms because a well-regulated militia is necessary to keep the state secure and free...

    Conclusion: grammatically, the ablative absolute limits the extent of the main clause. Able-bodied citizens were able to own weapons in case they were called up to serve as citizen soldiers in an emergency. Unless our Founding Fathers were grammatically ignorant, they weren’t giving carte blanche to individual civilian gun ownership as an absolute right in and of itself. It was conditional, and these days, the National Guard has supplanted civilian militias.

    https://verbmall.blogspot.com/2017/10/grammatical-analysis-second-amendment.html

    No where does it say the government cannot regulate the firearms industry.

    All constitutional amendments are subject to regulation.

    If you are a convicted felon, you cannot strut into a house of worship flaunting your bazooka, even if you falsely claim that is your constitutional right.
     
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    Prefatory clauses have no effect to modify or otherwise change the meaning of an operative clause.
    What you cite is part of a prefatory clause. It also is a term in common use at the time meaning "in functioning order".
    A militia in functioning order is one that may turn out immediately when called, with sufficient arms.

    None of what you suggest applies. See the analysis in DC v Heller.
     
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    Here are the Founders on the 2A: https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quotations-founding-fathers

    It wasn't about duck hunting, but for protection against tyrannical government.
     
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    Haha, you tried to sound intelligent, but failed magnificently. You are wrong. Your precious english teacher is also wrong. I'm sure he isn't a leftist idiot... Educate yourself.
    As far as flaunting a bazooka, why shouldn't i be able to have one?? Not that I would want one. Way to expensive and impractical.
     
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    That would mean more blacks for longer terms and the Democrats just won't stand for it.
     
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    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
    http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

    What was the final act by the British government that prompted the Revolutionary War?
     
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    I believe the SCOTUS ruled the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.
     
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    Laws that curtail automatic guns and Money spent to revive mental health care.

    Trump cut mental health funding ................. it figures.
     
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    Untrue, the administration cut funds that supported fraudulent uses of the funds (bussing to a doctor in mass), which leaves more money for those who actually need the service.
     
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    Automatic weapons are already very regulated, and require a federal firearms license.
     
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    Automatic guns aren't used in mass shootings.
     
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