Merkel wants a german Aircraft carrier

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  1. Sobo

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    Who decalred war, when and why?

    1. Did Germany kill the austrian crown prince? Yes or no?

    Did Russia declare war to austria hungary? Yes or no?

    Do you make GErmany responsible for the french, british and russian politics?

    Yes or no?

    If so, do you admit, we are superior to all of this vermin, because we obviously not just rule ourself but also ruled UK, France and UK from behind so to declare war against each other?
     
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    You can consider it whatever you wish. The private corporations were very happy having a customer like Hitler.
     
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    No, we are pro German. And we are immune to propaganda. We know when people talk bullshit to us and say its truth.

    We know an enemy when we see it.

    Russia is a rival, USA is an enemy.
     
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    The Eurofighters could never be carrier capable.

    Some years ago Marine grunts wanted the Marine Corps to fly A-10 Warthogs.

    The problem is all Marine Corps aircraft have to be able to operate from ships including aircraft carriers.

    To land and to take off from a carrier requires a tailhook which means having the fuselage structure being able to withstand the hook catching the carriers arresting cable.

    Put a tail hook on a A-10, F-16 or Eurofighter the tailhook would be ripped out by the arresting cable.

    Carrier capable aircraft also require different landing gears that can withstand the beatings it takes when landing and taking off from a carrier.

    Even the tires are different on a carrier base plane.

    The Navy and Marine Corps response to having a carrier based A-10 was that it would be cheaper to develop an entirely new attack aircraft than rebuilding the existing A-10 to be carrier capable.
     
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    Can you read English? World War 1 would not have started without the backing of German leader Kaiser Wilhelm.
     
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    You think you are pro-German but you are actually pro-Russia. Your family was brainwashed by the Soviet Union and your family has brainwashed you.
     
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    Nothing a 3 to 4 billion € investment couldnt solve
     
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    It would also not have started without russian backing of serbian terrorists. Or french backing of russian agression against austria.
     
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    I see Russia as a disgusting dirthole. So does my family. They are just the lesser evil compared to USA.

    Your rubbish is amusing. My grandmotehr in communist eastern Germany denied to join the German-Sovietunion friendship group and faced penalties for that. My famly watched west TV and had connections to the west. Then someone like you, who couldnt spot Germany or Russia on a map comes and tells me about my families history.

    Get lost.
     
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    Are they gonna pay for it themselves like they do for NATO? :)
     
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    Which ones????????
     
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    KdF, free housing,
     
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    NATO is a relic
     
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    Wrong,
     
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    which free housing, KdF was not free, it made serious money, so much that it was able to built the first VW factory.
     
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    France could use some help in defending Europe for the rest of its neighbors. Their naval air power is what gives Europe projectable force, as the Americans can (though on a much more modest scale, of course). England would have been a good addition, and it was certainly in their strategic interest to have done so. They saw otherwise. Europe must fend for itself while maintaining absolutely the best relations possible with the U.S.
     
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    I believe such items as health care for all Germans. Vacations paid for Germans that amounted to 2 or more weeks paid for not working. Speer was in charge of massive building projects to give Germans jobs paid by his Government. Why do you laud socialism in America but lack admiration for it in Germany?

    Wait, did the Nazis call themselves Socialists? Hmmmmmm

    https://fee.org/articles/were-the-nazis-really-socialists-it-depends-on-how-you-define-socialism/
     
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    You would think so after France quickly ran out of bombs when bombing Libya during the NATO and Obama regime change in Libya.

    I'm sure Vladimir Putin noticed that France ran out of bombs really quickly and had to call Obama for help.
     
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    KdF was free.
     
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    But you know that the Healtcare system in Germany was already around 70 years old and created by a guy called Bismarck, including Social Security, Unemployment and public school system. The housing projects were started in 1920 by the Weimar Republic. Germans got payed vacations, how socialist is that, horrible, 2 full weeks, Wotan forbid. They built roads and installed a social year of service, men had to do that after military service. My father drained swamps in East Prussia for a year and my mother worked in a old folks hospice.
    True socialism, nasty, the horror.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    I am well aware of the father of Socialism in Germany. Hitler added his own touches. But some do not believe Germany was and still is socialist. But you believe it.

    Read this book from a man that lived under the nazis and also the Soviets.

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    Not Free?



    Founded on November 27, 1933, the Nazi community "Kraft durch Freude" (KdF) was the most popular organization in the Nazi regime . The Volkswagen project as well as local and long-distance travel were among the most important activities of the leisure organization KdF, a sub-organization of the German Labor Front (DAF). With the comprehensive work of this organization, the working class should be given priority in the " VolksgemeinschaftAt the same time, KdF events were designed to promote relaxation and regeneration to increase work performance, including improving and refurbishing workplaces with canteens, sports facilities and green spaces The organization KdF, which offered access to previously civil privileges, ultimately served the idea of a classless society in the sense of the National Socialist national community.
    The diverse activities of KdF offered an extensive cultural and tourist recreational program. Theatrical performances, concerts, art exhibitions or lectures were attended by more than 38 million people until 1938. In Berlin in 1936, the "KdF City" was to enable every "German national comrade" to participate in the Olympic Games . Affordable accommodations and meals were offered in the purpose-built houses near the Berlin Olympic Stadium. The Nazi propagandaKdF's strong "showpiece" was her travel program. KdF sold 43 million trips until 1939, mostly day trips. Of the seven million holiday trips, there were 690,000 ocean voyages to Norway, Madeira or Italy. The prices were between one and five Reichsmarks for short trips and 120 Reichsmarks for a voyage to Madeira, but for a worker with a monthly income of about 150 Reichsmark was almost unaffordable. Similar to the "travel savings" was from 1938, the acquisition of the KdF car Volkswagen (VW) regulated. The prospective buyer bought savings tags week after week until the purchase price of 990 Reichsmark was reached. Two years later, 300,000 potential buyers had already saved more than 280 million Reichsmark, for which they never got a car:World War II - the well-known "Kübelwagen".
     
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    Did you actually read your link.
    Average income 150 Reichsmark per month.
    The day trips started at 1 to 5 Reichsmark, you wanted a cruise to Madeira you had to pay 120 Reichsmark, nearly 1 month average income.

    Not free, by any means, 1 days income for a short trip.
    The DAF had a membership fee, minimum was 0.50 Reichsmark, lowest income level. They raised over 500,000 that way and supported KdF with more than 5 million.
    Nothing for free in the 3. Reich.

    Back to the payed vacation, already in the Weimar Republic 8 to 12 days payed vacations were standard, it was increased by the NAZI to 14 to 21 days.
     
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    I was raised in Germany and lived in Germany, know its history. Grew up with generations of 2 WW, I know German history a little better than you, as I have shown you.
    The Graf Bismarck Systems are not free, you pay for them by taxation on your income. Its not socialism.
    The Bismarck Systems do make a profit. Right now gigantic profits in the billions and they are quiet capitalistic used.
    Since you know so much about the Bismarck Health Care system, you probably know, that private insurer are part of the system, making money and you naturally know, that not everybody is covered by the Government Agency but has to seek private insurance.
    Me for example, self employed.So socialist.
     

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