Is Trump a Bigger Failure Nationally or Internationally?

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    We will see.
     
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    I know you want all that to be true, it's just not. And I'm guessing you know it.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

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    I don't want it to be true..........but it is. Specifically what do you think is inaccurate?
     
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    The rate and direction of the economy hasn't changed since President Obama began the longest period of consecutive Job Growth
    Beginning in 2009 and going for 121 Months. Thanks President Obama.

    Trump made the world a whole lot more dangerous by pulling out of the Iran deal which Iran honored that has been verified by everyone
    Our Allies and our own intelligence agencies told Trump pulling out was the wrong thing to do............. they were right

    Under Trump illegal immigration has soared.
    President Obama deported 2 1/2 million illegals without having to talk about it every 4 hours for 2 1/2 years.

    The rate and direction of the economy hasn't changed since President Obama

    Trump has divided America ........... enuff said

    Trump in attempting to destroy the ACA which was created by Dems and Republicans ( who added 171 Amendments to the original Law )
    has only resulted in increasing the cost of healthcare.

    What happened to Trumps promise of better and cheaper healkthcare for all ? Another failed Trump promise

    In times of good employment Trump is borrowing 4 Trillion dollars ............ what will Trump do when the economy tapers off
    Another Tax cut for the rich ?

    Healthcare, Immigration, Filling the swamp and cabinet posts with Lobbyist, out of control borrowing,
    Iran and N Korea, Dividing America ..................... Trump is such a Failure !!!
     
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    Let's take the first two.
    1. You understand the economy hasn't reversed course, right? It was growing when Obama left office. Do you think it wouldn't have grown faster if Repubs in Congress had allowed the passage of a huge tax cut for the rich? One that, contrary to Repub promises, isn't paying for itself and hasn't resulted in average GDP growth of 2.9%.
    2. Word to the wise, don't believe Trump's lies. Calling the international agreement, that was working as intended, disastrous doesn't make it so. Iran was in compliance. The rest of the signatory countries were pleased with the agreement. Only Don, for political reasons not actual ones, decided the agreement should be reneged on.

    4. Create an economy that brings the Greatest Generation back in the work force

    OK, I can't resist this one. Creating conditions requiring people who are of retirement age to work is a good thing?
     
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    Gee, why didn’t I see that one coming a mile away!

    Like I said, they don’t have to.
     
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    Yes, they do. If they want to paint him as a racist.
     
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    I don’t much care if he is an actual racist or not, although I think he is.

    The only reason why I would doubt whether Trump is a racist, is because it’s always been clear to me that Trump doesn’t believe in much of anything or anyone beside the image that stares back at him in the mirror.

    Which is why I think that matter begs the question. Trump has no concept of right and wrong, and no loyalty to anyone other than his children.

    He is, for instance, definitely not above the ugliest appeals to fear, ignorance, and outright and ugly bigotry.

    And that part of his Id is the thing that gets the strongest reception at his rallies.
     
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    yep, Trump is not normal for sure, can you believe he was at the hospital and spend all that time bragging about his crowd sizes, Narcissist all the way, no empathy in that man - the Trump talking heads he hires sure seem to think his base is ignorant and easily conned
     
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    Thinking he is a racist doesn't make it ok for people including the media to call him one.
     
  11. Natty Bumpo

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    Trump's inveterate bum kissers need to be paranoid and dismiss the majority of decent Americans who consistently and relentlessly disapprove of their messiah, but his apologists would do better to actually confront reality and address his conspicuous failures at home and abroad, some of which were noted in the initial post.

    E.g., his immediate repeal of 'ObamaCare' and replacement with "something terrific!" that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!"?

    if it's a lie that he has failed to construct even a single mile of his "big, beautiful wall!" that he assured the nation Mexico would pay for, it is his own U.S. Customs and Border Protection that is lying.

    Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office
     
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    Dang, the lefties sure hate winning.
     
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    You disprove of your messiah? Fascinating.
     
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    No, I was too busy watching our Market quickly rebound in 2 days after China purposely deflated their currency. How many Liberals went to the hospitals in Chicago after 53 Americans were gunned down over the weekend? I'll give you the answer, NONE!!! They were too busy blaming one person for a tragedy that has stricken this country for over 50 years. Finding fault is easy. Creating solutions takes a lot more than calling someone names.
     
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    -prosperity, full employment
    -Amazing economy
    -Amazing stock market
    -Amazing job market
    -500,000 manufacturing jobs - Obama lost 200,000 and claimed they were not coming back
    -Energy independence
    -Growing wages


    but

    -peace
    -no new wars
    -Iran is on the ropes
    -North Korea is much more cooperative than it was just 2 years ago
    -Russian sanctions are finally biting, treaties Russia was cheating on are finally canceled
    -Revised trade agreements finally favor America
    -NATO members are paying their fair share
    -Immigration agreement with Mexico
    -Immigration agreement with Guatemala


    GO FIGURE

    :roflol:
     
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    Clearly, you are unable to honestly confront Fake Don's phony campaign promises, a few of which are provided to you in the thread's initial post.
     
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    Your inability to honestly confront and your need to divert from your messiah's conspicuous failures - e.g., domestically, rebuilding the nations crumbling infrastructure, enacting a national healthcare system that is "something terrific!" that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!", building his signature "big, beautiful wall!" along the Southern border that he would make Mexico pay for - is blatant, and requires no "figuring."

    Internationally, his trade war with China keeps escalating with mounting costs to the U.S. economy, his failed diplomatic overtures to Iran and North Korea, Jared Kushner’s Middle East peace plan, two years in the making, that is nowhere to be seen, Trump’s retreat from Syria, where the president once boasted he had defeated ISIS, and the terrorist group has regenerated.

    Please address those failures.
     
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    Poor feller. You dream about Trump?
     
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    Persist in your desperate diversions. Your flaunting your impotence is quite amusing.
     
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    Speaking of desperation.
     
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    You of all people, refusing to confront best economy in half a century, lowest unemployment in half a century, unprecedented peace, prosperity, improvements in NATO defensive capabilities, pro-American trade deals... You really want to talk about intellectual honesty? Jeez.
     
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    Trump is a big failure any way you look at it. He is, without a doubt, the worst racist in history, nationally or internationally. Trump has been of more benefit to those not of his race than any other racist in US or world history. Trump has also failed as a war monger. He has failed time and time again to take advantage of the opportunities that our avowed enemies in Iran and North Korea have given him. Trump is the worst war monger in history. Trump has also failed as a robber baron. Trump has completely failed to sack our economy; in fact, he cut taxes and regulations. Our economy is booming. Trump is the worst robber baron ever.
     
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    Your inability to address your messiah's impotence in honoring his major campaign promises have been noted.

    Despite the self-proclaimed "King of Debt!"s running up the nation's credit card, no rebuilding of America's crumbling infrastructure, no "big, beautiful wall!" that he vowed Mexico would pay for - and then tried to stick Americans with the tab, no "something terrific!" healthcare that "covers everybody!" at "lower cost!", etc., etc., etc.

    Despite the nation's unprecedented 10+ years of economic growth, most Americans consistently, relentlessly, disapprove of your p*ssy grabber, reflecting the loathing for him by US allies.

    If you are unable to defend your messiah's failures, desperate attempts at diversion merely emphasize that impotence.
     
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    Sorry dude, we'll take best economy in half a century, lowest unemployment in half a century, unprecedented peace, prosperity, improvements in NATO defensive capabilities, pro-American trade deals over pathetic leftist spin, socialism, ANTIFA and open borders any day.

    And yes, there is more work to be done of course. Trump/Pence 2020... Nikki Haley/Ivanka Trump 2024 :unclesam:

    :D

    PS we're taking the Congress too on Trump's coattails, strong economy, peace, prosperity...and Mueller report being proven a deep state witch hunt. You've been warned ;)
     
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