White nationalism is NOT white supremacism.

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  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Meh. Hitler was at least consistent. Benedict Donald is Mussolini...

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    The Obama administration wasn't in the general habit of jailing asylum seekers. Trump is. Family separation was not the norm under Obama. It was under Trump. Nice scramble, though.
     
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    Actually, I'm neither a progressive, nor a conservative. I'm a member of the Reasonable party. We're like Progressives and Conservatives, only reasonable.

    I mean; this is the opening paragraph in my next book...

    If you ask a liberal if they believe the suffering of a white male is just as important as the suffering of any other race and/or gender combination, chances are they will laugh at you. They laugh because it’s a ridiculous notion to them. It’s like asking a Nazi if they believe the suffering of a Jew is just as important as the suffering of anyone else. Liberals hate white males just as the Nazi’s hated the Jews and indeed, liberals use white males the same way the Nazis used the Jews, as the scapegoats for EVERYTHING.

    Some progressive I am
     
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  4. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you learn that at University ???
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    95% of so-called asylum seekers are returned to their countries. That is of course the ones that actually show up for their hearings. How do you know that there is a family ??? You want to release kids to adults without verification ???
     
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    The “Reasonable Party” thinks Trump is Hitler ??? Where did you go to school ???
     
  7. ryobi

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    LOL.

    Analogy

    a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
    "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
    • a correspondence or partial similarity.
      "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
    • a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
      "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"
     
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  8. Phyxius

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    No, I've known Cantaloupe Caligula was a lying, grifting sack of shiite with a cornucopia of mental irregularities since MTV still played music.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your clarification is that Hitler and Trump are equivalent ??? Where did you learn that ???
     
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    Where did you learn the critical thinking skills demonstrated in the above post ???
     
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    It is very simple

    You want lazy Americans to sit home drawing welfare while peasants from Central America do all the dirty work for slave wages
     
  12. MissingMayor

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    Absolutely false.
     
  13. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    An obvious lack of research on what White Nationalism is because it was historically established over 150 years ago. A quotation from President Andrew Johnson, after taking office when Lincoln was assassinated, provides the context.

    https://saggigga.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/andrew-johnson-americas-most-racist-president/

    Johnson wasn't referring to "all white men" but instead was specifically referring to "Protestant" white men and the culture of male domination and a willingness to employ force and violence to accomplish their goals. It didn't include other Christian demographic Americans such as the Quakers that were highly influential prior to the American Revolution but, because of their non-violence religious beliefs, refused to fight or support the American Revolution. They were also excluded because of their position on the equality of women. Catholics and other Christian denominations were excluded as was anyone that didn't fit the hereditary definition of "Protestant White Men" that Johnson was referring to.

    Birtherism was also a fundamental criteria following the same principle of "one drop of blood" that was used in defining blacks for the purpose of slavery. If the person had one drop of "non-white" blood they were not considered to be white. Laws prohibiting marriage "between the races" were imposed to protect White Nationalism's definition of the White Protestant Male society. The same birtherism was (and is) used to prevent Jews from ever becoming a "White Protestant Male" even if converted to Protestant Christianity.

    If all of the exclusions to being a member of the "White Protestant Male" social demographic are applied the percentage of Americans that fit into that demographic probably slips to about 10%-15% because of (one drop of) mixed blood, different religious beliefs, and other factors.

    Those that don't fit the White Protestant Male social group are referred to as "invaders" that are an infestation of America reducing the political and economic powers the White Nationalists seek to preserve. Like all infestations it must be eliminated which is where the violence of White Supremacy enters the picture. "Breeding Hispanics" are a threat to White Nationalism/White Supremacy because they're reproducing more rapidly than the "white" population. To eliminate this threat the White Supremacist employ acts of terrorism such as we witnessed in El Paso. In El Paso Patrick Crusius targeted "Mexicans" without any regard to whether they were natural born US citizens, naturalized citizens, permanent residents, legal or illegal immigrants, or just day shoppers visiting in the United States. They were all "Mexicans" infesting the United States and threatening White Nationalism. Muslims, Jews, blacks, and other races and religions that are not members of the "White Protestant Male" cultural demographic are all at risk of being targeted by White Nationalist/White Supremacist terrorists to either kill them or to convince them to leave the United States because they're a threat to White Nationalism.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    You don't want to live in the United States because it's been a multicultural and "multiple mixed race" nation since it's founding.

    There are few "white" people in the United States today that aren't of mixed racial ancestry based upon DNA testing.

    White Nationalism in the United States is based upon the Christian "White Protestant" male dominated culture that embraces violence to achieve it's goal and that was a completely different culture when compared to the Christian "White Quaker" culture of sexual equality and non-violence when America was founded. Christian "White Catholics" have a different culture as well and Catholics weren't considered to be trustworthy in the role of President until JFK was elected.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    In El Paso Patrick Crusius targeted "Mexicans" without any regard to whether they were natural born US citizens, naturalized citizens, legal or illegal immigrants to the United States, on temporary work status visas, or were just day shoppers coming across the border to shop at Walmart. "Mexicans" were the target and this had nothing to do with immigration or any other possible issue except "RACISM" to eliminate "Mexicans" by an act of terrorism.

    As President Trump has proclaimed "Mexicans" (Hispanics) are a "breeding infestation" of America and this also includes all Hispanics regardless of citizenship or immigration status living in the United States. Like all "infestations" it must be eliminated and Patrick Crusius was doing what President Trump advocated by eliminating the "Mexican infestation" of America using murder and terrorism.
     
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    Why do you believe that?
     
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    We quoted the passages only a few days ago. He viewed Trump as a symbol of white identity and shared purpose but did not like his policies. There are zero parts that show the New Zealand shooter "denounced" Trump in any way.
     
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    Of course he denounced Trump.

    "Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?

    As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.

    Break the back of cheap labour

    Whether that is by encouraging and pushing increases to the minimum wage; furthering the unionization of workers; increasing the native birthrate and thereby reducing the need for the importation of labour; increasing the rights of workers; pushing for the increase in automation or advancement of industrial labour replacement or any other tactic that is available."
    CRIME PREVENTION RESEARCH CENTER, New Zealand killer’s manifesto says that he did attack to get more gun control/gun bans in New Zealand and the US, Killer was a socialist, environmentalist who hated capitalists and trade, 15 MAR , 2019.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2019/03/n...ronmentalist-who-hated-capitalists-and-trade/

    The El Paso and NZ killers embraced every Left Wing issue. Should tell you something about the true nature of the modern left.
    There has always been a lot of brown under all the pink
     
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    Saying he doesn't support Trump's policies is NOT DENOUNCING HIM. Look up the definition if you need to.
     
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    Could you provide the quote from President Trump where he said, "breeding infestation?"

    And welcome back.
     
  21. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/18/politics/donald-trump-immigrants-california/index.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/trump-immigrants-infest/563159/

    Notes:
    1. MS-13 is a gang formed in Los Angeles and is not a gang from a foreign country.
    2. Democrats do not support illegal immigration. They support lawful immigration especially when it comes to refugees that, by law, are supposed to be allowed to apply for asylum when they arrive at a US port of entry. Donald Trump and his administration are blocking lawful immigration by refugees that arrive at US ports of entry.
    3. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, have violent crime rates at half or less when compared to natural born US citizens. If we want to address crime then let's look at the roughly 14 criminal investigations (that we know about) of Donald Trump by the FBI.
    4. No person is an animal and the treatment of detainees and their children in inhumane conditions in inexcusable.

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/un-rights-chief-condemns-us-conditions-immigration-detention

    Trump guilty of Crimes Against Humanity? Absolutely!!!
     
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    Sounds great as an essay of political science but doesn't have much "real world" purchase.

    There are hundreds of thousands maybe millions of low-wage Americans on some kind of benefits even if that's just Medicaid. The idea that all or even most of them are going to undergo some kind of Randian catharthis and find a path to economic autonomy is laughable especially as the cards are increasingly stacked against them in the wage-labor market. Things have been going in the opposite direction for decades. What makes you think anything is going to change about that now?

    Even if such a fantasmagorical stunt were to be acheived, there would still be a need for workers to take over the jobs they would vacate and who do you think would be the only candidates remaining to take those positions? Can anybody guess?
     
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    It’s absolutely real world. What world are living in ??? The world of the bigotry of low expectations ???
     
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    Nope I wish we could revive the days when one income could by a house, car and raise a family.

    It's not what I want, it's what the American people want. Cheap goods and services which require cheap labor to achieve. In many cases it's not even so much what they want but a question of what they need because they simply cannoy afford to pay higher prices for things.

    It's one of the great masteries of the political and financial elite that they've managed tto convince people earning $15 an hour that the person earning $11 an hour is the source of all their problems.
     
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    Nope the real world where large numbers of peolple are stuck in jobs they have no realistic hope of escaping from because they are producing the cheap goods and services Americans want and in many cases need.
     

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