Immigrants now make up 17% of the U.S. labor force

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the Seattle Times: Immigrants now make up 17% of the U.S. labor force - excerpt:

    Let's face reality, shall we. They do the work that the American-born laborers do not care to do.
    Which is a reflection upon what is happening at the Mexican border. That is, the demand exists for such laborers in the American economy.

    Nonetheless, it must be recognized that entry-without-permit is NOT ALLOWED in any international agreement on worker-migration.


    There are, of course, exceptions like the Muslims leaving the war-torn Middle-east. But, most of Africa is not at war, and neither is Central America. (Even Africans are crossing into Mexico to make the trek north!)

    The process is very simple and the same around the world. If the US needs talent, it makes that known at its embassies in the appropriate countries where those who hire such workers can interview them.

    Hispanics made up the largest share of foreign-born workers by far, at 47.9 percent. Asians made up 25.2 percent of the group.

    As much as I dislike the man, I must acknowledge that Trump has got this one right. That is, the border must be sealed off and the Mexican government must patrol it as well ...

    PS: Frankly, given the Demand for such workers, the Supply will not diminish. Not until those who hire them are severely fined and even sent to jail if they persist. But, the US also needs to set up a parallel means for hiring them legally directly in their country of origin and giving them a work-permit that details for whom and for how long.
     
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    So...17% of the US workforce are migrants/immigrants...or ~27.4 million.

    This means we have ~27.4 million so-called Americans who refuse to do the work done by the 27.4 million migrants/immigrants.

    This means if the US did not have these 27.4 million migrants/immigrants to perform work so-called Americans refuse to do, business and people would be screwed!

    This means we should give credit to ~27.4 million migrants/immigrants who are producing ~$3 trillion in GDP.

    This means we should thank the 27.4 million migrants/immigrants for paying billion$ in federal, state and local taxes.

    Great news!! Thanks...
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wonder what the percentage would be if they were able to count the undocumented ones working under the table, and those on welfare
     
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    Then who will do the jobs that capitalist pigs will only hire illegals for?
     
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    I sure do like the way you repub blames every damn soul in the world for the illegals being here except those that hire them...
     
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  6. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bollocks will ...
     
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    I doubt they have hair nets that will work..
     
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    Go back and read the states. They are documented for these stats.

    Thank heavens they are here so that the lazy citizens who don't want to work don't have to work.
     
  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt they need them.

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    Most can barely speak English. So, where are they going to work where understanding a bit of English is all that is necessary. Moreover, 99-times out of 100, they have damn few work qualifications except in farming. Where American farmers NEED THEM because we Yanks don't do that kind of "hard work" for a pittance anymore.

    Which is perhaps goodness, so why not let the Mexicans in to do the picking, Because then they want to stay? Frankly, they should not be allowed to do so.

    When I was hired by an American company in Europe, I waited in the US for an entry-permit and then once installed OJT, a Work-Permit was given. And that's the way it goes in the rest of the world as well. No Identity Card, no Entry Permit. No Entry Permit, No Work Permit! So, why not do the same with Central America?

    Post Scriptum:
    From the US Dept. of Agriculture here
    (date "December 2000"):

    Interesting point: Illegal Mexican farm-workers work for a lower-income. From here:


    Well, at least they earn above the Minimum Wage in the US ($7.25 an hour) ...
     
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    Because once they're in they stay and have children.
    While the parents are both gone all day, lots of those children turn out to be gangbangers.
     
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    Yeah, that's what my father did. He had two kids!

    AWFUL!

    Thankfully my mother was a "Real Amuikun" born and raised!!!
     
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    Are we going to send the children out in the fields too?

    Who's going to pay for their schooling? Their medical treatment if they get sick or go to the emergency room?

    If the employer had to pay even half of what it costs the government to take care of their children, this would all end tomorrow.
     
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    We all know these families typically have four or five.

    Two migrant farm workers and then we have to pay for five children in school. Yeah, that's a great idea...

    (Typical cost for one child per year in school is $12,000 , but I'm sure you'll be telling us these migrant farm workers "pay taxes" )
     
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    Who the hell cares because Americans don't want these jobs ... !


    The Mexican government, because most of these farm-workers come without families. They work on a limited time basis that is dictated by crops grown.

    You are clearly barking up the wrong tree. (Yes, there are a good many Central Americans trying to get into the US. We have the same problem in Europe, only they are Africans.

    What do we do with them? We rescue them though many, many die in the Med.

    The rest bumble-around until they have understood that there are NO JOBS for them without a Work Permit, which they will never receive. A great many finally go back!
     
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    That's a misleading statement because the quality of these jobs change based on who is available to do them.
    Many of these jobs used to have better work conditions and higher pay before there were foreign people to do them.
     
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    Let's quote that good old Karl Marx :
    "Immigrants is the reserve army of the Bourgeois".
     
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    So? Who cares ... ?
     
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    It's simply because there is a long tradition of using the immigrants to lower the cost of of work.That pression tend to be higher on low qualified workers.
    However, foreign born workers belong basically of two categories : extremly poor people which need unqualified jobs and highly qualified workers.
    The second is an always win for the country. We tend to quickly associate immigrants with poor people, but it's an over simplification.

    I don't think "They do the work that the American-born laborers do not care to do","I think They do the work that the American-born laborers do not care to do" in those conditions. And it's absolutly different. In "those conditions", I include not only the wage, but aswell the problems of harrassement.
    The role of the immigration of poor workers is simply to keep the poor in poverty, so they can be more easily exploited.
     
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    MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

    Bollocks again! What "quality"? What knowhow is necessary to pick fruits or collect vegetables. Those are the jobs we Americans DO NOT WANT TO DO.

    And those mentioned are only indicative, because there are others as well.

    Setting the factual record straight - from Pew Research, here: Jobs Americans Won't Do?

    This fuss about "illegal workers" is a matter of POPULISM - aka much ado about nothing ...
     
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    That is not the question with base-work. The matter there is that Americans do not want to do those jobs.

    That may be a consequence but it is not the purpose. The purpose is that Americans (whether employed or not) don't want those backbreaking jobs.

    The US is NOT the country it was a half-century ago - which I remember well. We would take any job because it was necessary to have "spending money" and/or to "keep up with the Joneses next door".

    The migrants (not immigrants because they do not "immigrate") come and go back. As for those who come and stay hoping to be "magically made" Americans, they are indeed illegal.

    And they would be illegal into whichever country they go. To work in another country one needs not only the work-permit, but permanent permission to remain. Meaning, one is not just a tourist ...
     
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    @LafayetteBis That's my point, american don't want to do "backbreaking" jobs, because they're not only backbreaking, they're low paid. When a backbreaking job is well paid, don't worry that a lot of people want to do those jobs.
    I think that a big part of the economic model wouldn't survive without exploiting dirty poor people. Those dirty poor people are the intraveineuse or the crutch for a non viable economic model.
    There is some backbreaking jobs that nobody wanted to do a few decades ago in France, since there is a lack of workers in those fields, and they start to pay well, they're becoming popular again.

    I think that mass migration is a process that is terribly violent against the poor, either when they're the migrants or against the local poor.
     
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    By backbreaking I suppose you mean physical-labor. That labor depends nonetheless upon a certain human intelligence.capacity other than the ability to sweep the streets. Their "vocational" qualifications are learnable - and are the starting point in the human learning-spectrum of most advanced countries. Like the US and EU.

    What is happening in Europe, with the flood of Africans coming across the Mediterranean Sea or from the Middle-east are ... uh, hungry people with neither any European language capacity nor work-experience. They could pick crops, that's about all. However, for those jobs eastern EU-countries already have their people willing to take the train westward to do the work. And, they are perfectly legal - meaning they are members of the EU who simply want to earn some money.

    The African horde that are being rescued off the Med have no skills and not even language abilities. So, they are going to mull around and - should they indulge in anything illegal - they will enjoy either jail or a flight back to from wherever they came.

    Europe is unable to deal with the hordes that make it in from either Africa or Asia. It just can't - at present, there are not enough jobs for Europeans. There are more than enough Romanians, as a for-instance, who will work in Europe wherever necessary doing backbreaking work. And they are full-fledged members of the EU, so they cannot be refused. Others have university degrees and language abilities, and so they do find work more easily in Europe.

    The migration-problem is thus specific to the Middle-east (with its never-ending wars) and deep-Africa (with its never ending hunger). Just as in the US, the problem is specific to Central America. But, in neither case is the problem really very different between the US and Europe.

    Is there a definitive solution. Frankly, I think not. Because the underlying factor is that there are parts of the world that are creating populations that are too large to be sustained by local economies - and so people want to move out ...
     
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    Interesting info-graphic:
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    Clearly, one quarter of the American population is immigrant. What do we want to do about it?

    Legalize them, and make sure that any further immigrants are allowed in under "Due Process". Meaning they enter with an "Entry Permit" obtained in their country of origin. That entry-permit should be allowed because an American company requested that the individual be accorded it in order to work in the US. (And not because a Central American country has a political leadership that inflicts such widespread hunger on its population that they must flee!)
     
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    And also from Reuters here:
     
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