The worst Democrats are leading in the polls

Candidates Delaney, Moulton, Ryan and Bullock are all solid and reasonablend sounding candidates. Yet they haven't caught on with Democrats. But look at who has:

Sanders (an avowed socialist who honeymooned in the USSR. Who does that?), Elizabeth Warren (a preachy, fake Indian), Biden (a befuddled old pol who has never done anything except feed himself at the trough,) Harris (judgmental hypocritical climber who accused a good cop of being a murderer) and Corey Booker (melodramatist who thinks he is leader of a slave uprising) all poll higher.

Why is this? All the leaders in the D race are loud and obnoxious or have done something phony (Biden's plagiarism and Warren's fake Indian claim).

Is there a lesson here? What is it? That you have to do or say stupid things as loudly as possible possible (especially including "racism!") to get any attention? And that normal people need not apply?

 

Yes, it does seem the most vocal candidate can rise to the top while flinging mud. Maybe people like it. Secretly at least.

 

Well, Trump's defeat of my man Rand Paul suggests this is true, and that it operates on both sides of the aisle. How much, after all, does Trump's support derive from his policies, and how much from being flamboyant and politically incorrect?

 

It worked GREAT for Trump.

 

Trump won the office ............. yet now world knows what a Liar and inept man he is.

Was it worth it personally for him ? Maybe in his delusions ...................

 

I don't think it matters anymore. Hillary, as a candidate, was one of the worst fielded for a Presidential election and won the popular vote by 3 million votes. A lot of political analysis on running left in the primaries and moderate for the general is, IMHO, outdated. There was a time in the recent past when there were large swaths of the electorate who could be swayed to switch parties based on policies and likability of the candidate. I don't think that's true anymore For Democrats, the vast majority are now yellow dog democrats (they could run a yellow dog and the party faithful would vote for it).

It's a new political age in which the old rules don't seem to apply. Whether the candidate is Socialist Sanders or moderate Delaney, the vast majority of Democratic voters are going to vote for him. As a caveat I would say that who the candidate is could effect turnout, but virtually no one is switching parties.

 

More than this, the mythical fence sitting moderate doesn't really exist post '08. It's in both parties electoral interests to run to the extreme. The Repubs went fascist during the TP years and won big. The Dems were a bit slow on the uptake, ******** on OWS in favor of the status quo but have finally caught on after Trump trounced them and are going socialist. Running to the middle isn't going to win an election any more, the base stays home and the 'moderates' fade into the mists of reality when it comes time to count votes.

 

As a candidate, maybe not (though Biden at least tried to be moderate before they de-balled him).

As a voter, I think there are millions. I think I am moderate.

 

Good grief! LOL...

 

I honestly don't know what TP means. Turpentine?

I hated those turpentine years. Fascists !!

 

I thought he meant toilet paper.

 

If modrates existed, either Clinton would be president or a Repub other than Trump would be in office. Moderates may exist as a literal fact but not in numbers that affect elections. Millions isn't much next to hundreds of millions.

 

No. moderate or centrist messages can work in the Democratic party, but they must be delivered by people who do not make accountants sound enthralling in comparison. Everyone of those you mentioned is completely charisma-challenged.

They do not sound passionate about their own views, they come across as policy wonks without a sense of humor, or any real drive to get even what they propose done. They don't make one feel that their policies show vision. People were not bored listening to Bill Clinton or Obama. Its unfair, but this is a media driven campaign, and these moderates come across as though they want to show you their coin collection.

 

I was bored by both Obama and Clinton.

Dems love a slickly delivered line but its transparent.

 

You were not the target audience, and you will never be the target audience. We don't want your interest.

 

I like Rand too. But sadly it seems a certain amount of 'jerk' is required to get anything done in WA. Rand would be an ecxellent president if we can fix that first. As it is, I think he'd end up the conservative version of Carter- too 'nice' to be president.

 

Thank you kindly.

Means a lot to hear you say this.

 

Actually, I think it's still true but only on one side. It's the Democrats who have to run to the middle. Republicans lose whenever they run a "me too but less" candidate. Bush Sr. when he ran on his own record, Dole, McCain, and Romney were Democrat-lite candidates who couldn't win because they didn't have a message. Conservatives or conservative poseurs like Bush Sr. after Reagan, Bush Jr., and Trump win because they have a message. Democrats who are centrist (Bill Clinton) or centrist poseurs (Barack Obama) win because they appeal to the middle. Far left Democrats can't win because socialism remains deeply unpopular. Reagan buried the ghost of Goldwater (the idea that a conservative can't win) even while Goldwater himself was still alive.

 

If by unpopular you mean 40%.

 

That's only the under 25 crowd, 25% of whom are Hispanic and another 14% black. Including all ages, support for socialism drops down to 10%.

 

Our best hope for Democrat nominee is Marianne Williamson; nobody can defeat essential oils and crystals!

 

The under 25 crowd is the largest voting bloc. lol Boomers might pull the average down but in 10 years most will be dead and gone. Socialism is the new mainstream, the demographic shift is just lagging by and election cycle or 2.

 

Demographics is everything, and by 2028 the GOP will be reduced to a few enclaves if it does not start the working person as well as the rich.

 

Because dems cant destroy this country fast enough. They are all in right now