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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    No one would want to deal with the EU breaking WTO rules or the GFA.
     
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    Give Ireland the vote; EU hard border, or Brexit customs union.
    Make Ireland like Hong Kong is to China. Let Dublin be growth for the EU in Brexit customs.
    Or, have the EU border.
     
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    It would take years for the WTO to get active.

    Anyways you stand for your country, i stand for mine. I wish you all the best and good luck. Its meaningless to discuss this. I wont change my opinion and you wont change yours.
     
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    Hongkong is currently collapsing into chaos.

     
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    My understanding , correct me if I'm wrong, is that trade would return to WTO rules, not EU rules. So dozens of trade agreements would suddenly disappear.
     
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    If the people of Britain did suffer shortages

    I can only believe it was orchestrated such as the

    Electricity shortage some years ago and ENRON.

    And those perps never really pay, do the?
     
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    Under WTO, it's business as usual with the European Communities if a country leaves the European Communities until that country makes a new deal for itself. The deal the EU put on the table was rejected by the UK.
     
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    A doomster thread. Gove explained the situation on the news.

    I did suggest having a thread purely for Doomster stories do as not to not clog the forum. This thread is an ideal candidate.
     
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    That'll be Ireland if Brussels stifle Ireland if Ireland chose to have Brexit customs to avoid a hard border.

    There will be trouble if EU puts up a hard border.

    EU is no better than China.
     
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    So UK has a successful Brexit with WTO on its side preventing EU from punishing it for leaving the bloc.
     
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    A successful Brexit means other countries can choose to leave the EU on WTO terms too if they want. Article 50 is the exit to the EU.
     
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    As i said, i wish you all the best by killing yourself to be a dwarf in a world of giants.
     
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    So this is wrong?

    A no-deal Brexit means that the U.K. would no longer be a member of the EU and it would have no trade agreement. It would eliminate Britain's tariff-free trade status with the other EU members.


    Tariffs would raise the cost of exports. That would hurt exporters as their goods became higher-priced in Europe. Some of that pain would be offset by a weaker pound.


    Tariffs would also increase prices of imports into the U.K. One-third of its food comes from the EU. Tariffs are as high as 74% for tobacco, 22% for orange juice, and 10% for automobiles. Higher import prices would create inflation and lower the standard of living for U.K. residents.

    https://www.thebalance.com/brexit-consequences-4062999#consequences-of-a-no-deal-brexit
     
  16. Montegriffo

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    It's rather sad that you have a much better grasp of the realities of a no deal Brexit than RoL who was actually allowed to vote on it.
     
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    That is a back door into Europe which the EU simply can't allow.
    Also it would still allow free movement of EU nationals into the UK so Brexiteers won't allow it either.

    Not so simple after all.
     
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    Some may need to fart past the graveyard, but dire prospects are realistic.

     
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    Untrue on both counts. Soft borders exist all over the world that don't necessarily allow for free trade or free migration over them.
     
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    So how do you stop unregulated goods or migrants crossing into the UK or EU without border checks?
     
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    Some ideologues love it.
     
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    Welcome to the dream world.
     
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    Rue, Britannia

    The thing the UK will rue the most will be how long it took for it to separate from the empire.
     
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    Well this is actually something I'd like to see done with regard to North America. You allow free movement but investigate and fine anyone who sells unregulated goods across that border. You could even allow for random stops and searches.
     
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-no-soft-landing-for-no-deal-brexit-quicktake

    Liam Fox, the U.K. trade secretary and a Brexiteer, has rejected the approach. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has repeatedly said Article 24 only applies if two trading partners have already agreed to a trade deal. After Johnson insisted that it could work in a no-deal scenario, Carney spelled it out again on June 26. The EU has repeatedly said that it won’t engage in mini-deals if the withdrawal agreement isn’t ratified, meaning tariffs would be imposed as well as border checks. WTO Director-General Roberto Azevedo in May said there must be a bilateral agreement between the EU and U.K. in order to claim an implementation period under GATT Article 24. “Once they have an agreement, I think Article 24 could give them some time for implementation of that agreement,” he told Bloomberg. “But the first question is the agreement itself.”
     
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