Rouhani warns: ‘War with Iran is the mother of all wars’

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  1. Dutch

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    Ha ha ha, as if Israel just gonna be a sitting duck there? Do you for a second believe If Israel is backed into a corner facing desperate cituation, they gonna hesitate lobbing a nuke up Iran’s ass?

    Yes, you probably do believe Israel will just bend over and grab the ankles in the face of incoming Iranian firecrackers :wall:
     
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    In my argument, I do not mention the invincibility of Iraq. I put up a general assessment of what Iran is capable of compared to Iraq. And I do not recall a thing that the dems said we would run out of body bags. I do recall the claim of loads of EU nations that it would be a terrible idea. And indeed... it was a terrible idea. It caused the rise of ISIS, where we are trying to end terrorism. Congrats of unleashing that on the EU.
     
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    No, I agree with you that if things really got messy for Israel, we would see them "introduce" the nukes they had promised not to be the first to introduce into the Middle East. Which is why all the excuses about what is propelling the efforts against Iran are just lies and excuses. The real reason behind these efforts is something which was once called a Project for a New American Century. It is the new doctrine that the neocons introduced into America's foreign and national security policy, bringing together 2 powerful special interest groups (the pro Israel lobby, who wanted to have greater freedom of action in a Middle East devoid of any serious challengers) and the military industrial lobby (who wanted a new blue print to replace the cold war era "containment" to justify sucking nearly a trillion USD every year for the defense budget, not to mention the cushy jobs and attention that their key figures and spokesman got from it all). In this mix, they found a group of nut cakes who believed in Rupture and such tales and decided to fund them and their leaderships, encourage their idiocy, creating an army of deranged political foot soldiers to augment the clout they had inside the back rooms where the corrupt deals in American politics are made. The fact that the reach of the pro Israel lobby is felt across both political parties in the US only made their project that much easier to implement.
     
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    Your eloquent writing and all is canceled by a short, simple to understand notion - Israel will do anything and everything to survive and go on, at ANY cost.
     
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    No, it isn't cancelled by the reality that Israel would be supported in using a first nuke strike against a country which does not have them due to the religious extremism of American Christian Zionism. I guess some Christian Zionists want WW3 for their rapture.
     
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    There was this movie called "Havana" which had a line I like to recall for you. It was about why politicians don't make for good poker players? Mainly because they can't abide losing a good hand, even if that helps set up the table for the real kill. Israel, in its obsessive quest to win every hand, using its undeniable influence over American politics, is blinded to what it is doing for its long term security. You won't accept this from me now, and this won't be because of Iran per se, but there will be no Israel in a few decades. I am convinced of that.

    In the meantime, though, when it comes to IRAN, Israel has picked on a nation that has learned the ropes on how to get by despite many comparable threats through centuries and millennia of history. Unlike the Jews, who have a very short history being sovereign in any lands they could call their own, IRAN has been around as not just a nation (something that the Jews can also claim, but actually thanks to the Persians), but as a nation-state for several millennia of history. That is not about to change because of a colonial outpost constructed by the West, populated by folks who owe their identity as a distinct nation ultimately to Iran and the emissaries it once sent to Jerusalem to settle disputes there. Disputes which were settled by these Persian emissaries picking the recently freed, pro Persian, Babylonian Jews as the "real Jews" who could administer their temple, setting down the rule that a Jew is someone who is born of a Jewish mother, and which along the way told them to respect the rule of Iran ("laws of the Persians and the Medes, Disobey them not") and to show the greatest fidelity to the Persian king, calling Cyrus the "Lord Anointed" (naturally elevating him above the Jewish prophets, including Ezra and Nehemiah which were emissaries and subjects of the Persian empire sent on a mission to quell the unrest an unruly part of it).

    Try as you wish, if there is going to be only one nation-state to survive between Iran and Israel, my money will be on IRAN. And unlike you, I have a couple of thousand years of history to back me on that!
     
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    This is absolutely true, and it's not only about what the Israelis are doing now. For decades they have been extremely arrogant to believe that they could behave as they do and continue to live in that part of the world forever as an independent people. They are, at best, going to be something like a protectorate.
     
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    Because Tony Blair was an idiot.
     
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    I believe it could be, since the twelfth Imam could be released from his chains in the well. Only the most evil fallen ones are chained.
     
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    In The Jewish Daily Forward in 2010, Jewish military historian van Creveld argued that the West Bank, far from being vital to Israel's security, is a territory "that Israel can easily afford to give up." Van Creveld contended that the West Bank offers no defense against ballistic missiles from Israel's two chief enemies, Iran and Syria.
     
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    I'm already there. Take a look around.
     
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    I wish I had the time or inclination, but I do not; otherwise I’d pick apart and destroy your every line, my friend - with half my brain tied up behind my back. But I do have a little time now, so how about this one?

    If Israel is so obsessive in winning every hand, what have they won in the last major confrontation with Hamas? I mean, Israel flew 5,000 bombing sorties, managing to kill fewer than 2,000 people and that’s in the world’s target richest environment. I mean, in the city of Gaza you have to try real hard to drop the bomb and not kill someone, right? So, Israel expended all these tens of thousands of high explosives, missing their targets most of the time. Right?

    So, what has Israel won in their last engagement with Hamas after running their celebrated Air Force for weeks and spending what? 2,000lb of high explosives per target? I know the answer. Do you?
     
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    She should have been locked up and only wasn't because the fix was in
     
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    Leftist always burn the American flag. They hate freedom and democracy
     
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    Stop, Joe. They have been dogging Hillary for 30 years and come up empty handed. She may not be computer literate and she may be too old (like Trump) but Trump is a horror and a global embarrassment. Nearly everyone on this board is more intelligent and more decent than Trump.
     
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    "Lack of intent" was a new way of deciding whether or not to prosecute a crime made up just for Hillary. Drunk drivers don't intend to kill people but they still get locked up for manslaughter
     
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    You think computer errors are the same as drunk driving?

    Do you know what mens rea means?
     
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    Computer errors? Hillary took hammers to hard drives to hide errors? Lol
     
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    I can't say what I think of that remark. I'm putting you on ignore.
     
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    ISIS is just one more Islamic terrorist group. There have been others and will be more until there is an educational revolution within the Muslim world. It may have already begun in fact.
     
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    Lets see what you have in mind picking apart and destroying my other lines! Otherwise, you apparently didn't get what I was alluding to. I was not suggesting Israel wanted to kill every person in Gaza. That wouldn't be 'winning that hand'. Whether Israel was 'successful' in pursuit of its objectives against Hamas in that war or not, is something that I can't answer. But Israel clearly failed against Hezbollah in 2006 -- and that wasn't for lack of trying.

    Let me be more explicit for you: Israel has basically decided to make room for itself in the Middle East, not by trying to make real friends and making itself fit there, but -- faced with a hundreds of millions of Arabs and a billion or so Muslims -- deciding to use its propaganda organs and influence to teach Islamophobia the same way it tried to fuel hatred and contempt for Arabs. As if that is going to build a strong foundation for continued Israel presence over the long run! In this process, Israel has even given up on its earlier "periphery doctrine" which sought to at least make friends with non-Arab countries in the region. Now its "friends" are not any real nations or peoples in the region, but a bunch of lackeys and potentates like Mohammad Bin Salman!

    Anyway, I mentioned this already in my post: you won't accept what I will be saying to you but this is not the way for Israel to ensure its long term survival. As an Iranian, who actually would be quite receptive to a Jewish homeland in the middle of a sea of Arab property and states for both geopolitical reasons as well as for reasons that extend beyond that, I will offer you this advice. If you want Israel to have a secure place in the region, look to encouraging an ideology that can find genuine appeal in the region. And work on formulas that can accomplish that objective a lot more effectively than the one you have been pursuing.
     
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    Like a mother bear protecting her cub.:roflol:
     
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    That spawned in Iraq because the US deliberately pushed the country in total chaos, by removing the police, army and the entire justice department. It spread to Syria. It caused millions and millions to flee for their lives, and 100.000's of people died because of these US policies. The EU also thanks the US for causing these problems for them.
     
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    A history of what? History means nothing unless you have something to show for it.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and hundreds of other investors disagree with you. Hi tech always defeats low tech. https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-google-microsoft-israel-rd-2016-10
     
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    If liberating the country from a brutal dictatorship caused hundreds of thousands of Muslims to kill each other that doesn't say much for the religion. Nor does blaming their murderous behavior on others.
     
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