The Net Worth Of Every 2020 Presidential Candidate

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  1. Greenleft

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    No wonder fail candidate Delaney won't drop out now. He's the third in personal wealth with 20 million. Marianne Williamson is worth 1.5 million... writing self help books really pays off eventually.
     
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    I'm not your damn nanny and my eyesight is just fine. Anyone with half a brain can look around and see no one is skipping meals in this country.

    If you google search 'food insecure' and 'obesity', the maps show the same states with the highest obesity as having the highest food 'insecurity'. That makes perfect sense.....NOT.

    Get out of here with that nonsensical propaganda. This country has turned into a bunch of momma's boys fat wussies.

    As far as solutions, I propose freedom and self-reliance. You propose more big government and less freedom. I don't want to live in a quasi-communist country, which is exactly what the Dems want to turn it into.
     
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  3. rcfoolinca288

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    So Trump is a racist and a sexist. Got it.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said it was a high dollar destination. Of course you just assumed it so.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    Poor diet adds to obesity. I'm shocked you wouldn't EXPECT the maps to line up that way.

    I proposed absolutely zero less freedom and I also didn't propose bigger government.

    In fact, I stated that if you have a solution to this problem (a problem you apparently don't understand), I'm ready to listen.

    Communism??? Come on, dude.
     
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    Somebody forgot to tell Trump. What's with stealing taxpayers' money and giving them to farmers?? And you cheered.
     
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  7. Bluesguy

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    Now we don't subsidize losses nor is a bankruptcy a subsidizing. What is it you want to accomplish by taxing capital gains?
     
  8. rcfoolinca288

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    Sure. Look at Trump driving all the businesses to his resorts. I don't see you complaining about that.
     
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    Listen dude, I used to be obese. I've walked in those shoes. There is NOTHING you can say that will tell me different than what I've lived first hand. I buy this argument as the horseshit that it is.

    Poor diet? :roflol: It's called "you're eating too much fatty, put down the fork".

    Don't try to lecture me on something you have no clue about.
     
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    Depends on why their net tax was zero. Was it a loss carryover from a previous non-profitable year? Was it because they build a new factory and used the profits to buy the new equipment and pay to hire the new workers? What about citizens with incomes who pay 0% in taxes?
     
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    Like Trump?
     
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    Not at all. I'm a capitalist, best road to prosperity.
     
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    I have no idea how much Trump pays in taxes and neither do you but we do know millions of income earners at the bottom pay no income tax because of tax credits and deductions like big corporations use.
     
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    I find some comments here curious... on the one hand Democrats are hypocrites for being worth millions while raging against the system that made them rich (never mind HOW they earned it), on the other mayor Pete is a sad failure for being worth only 100.000 dollars.

    Where is the sweet middle?
     
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    We allow people who have losses to write that off against their tax bill. If they paid their taxes, I wouldn't have to pay so much.

    Capital gains is just one more way for the wealthy to receive more income. Proposing to not tax capital gains is just a gift to the already wealthy.
     
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    Here's a list of corporations who paid zero or LESS taxes in 2018.

    The list includes Amazon, Netflix, Chevron, and 50 companies on the Forbes 500.

    https://itep.org/notadime/#table
     
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    It's you who proved you don't know about diet.
     
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    Many if not most of these companies are on this list perennially. They've figured out how to get deductions that allow them to dodge taxes.

    You know, when income is below the cost of living it's not shocking that someone doesn't pay taxes.

    And, we have WAY too many citizens in that position today.
     
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    I never cared if my liberal was rich, poor or middle class. I cared if their policies as a collective whole supported the poor or the middle class a little bit more than the rich. In other words were they willing to support some redistribution from the rich to the poor or middle class through policies or taxation, even if it hurt their own pocketbook. Most liberals have always felt the same. They have voted for Roosevelts, and Kennedys for generations because there is no inherent conflict between having wealth and liberalism.

    Matter of fact most of us know that the wealthy class may serve a real value to society. They often invest capital in an economy that needs investment capital to grow and prosper. When they invest capital in industries that need regulation, then we insist that regulation happen and that it be enforced. When they invest in industries that pollute or exploit labor, or dodge paying taxes, we insist that those investers however rich they may be, realize that said practices will not be tolerated.

    We liberals welcome the contributions of rich people to industry. We just do not bow before them and wipe their behinds.

    You guys really need to pay attention better.
     
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    Might I remind you that the Founding Fathers believed that corporations ought to be held under government oversight? They believed that corporations ought to get permission to exist, to only produce one product, and then be forced to disband after a set amount of time.

    "Incorporated companies with proper limitations and guards may, in particular cases, be useful; but they are at best a necessary evil." - James Madison
     
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    Critics of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in the 2010 Citizens United v. FEC case (which lifted most federal regulations on unlimited corporate election speech) have claimed the will of the Founding Fathers supports their efforts to suppress political speech by corporations, citing the above quote by Jefferson and an apparently similar quote by James Madison. Jeffrey D. Clements, president of Free Speech for People, added in congressional testimony July 7, “James Madison, often considered the primary author of our Constitution, viewed corporations as ‘a necessary evil’ subject to ‘proper limitations and guards.’”

    Jefferson was unfailingly against government curbs on any type of speech. “The people are the only censors of their governors,” he wrote to Edward Carrington on January 16, 1787, calling a free press “the only safeguard of the public liberty. The way to prevent these irregular interpositions of the people is to give them full information of their affairs thro’ the channel of the public papers, & to contrive that those papers should penetrate the whole mass of the people. The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.” Jefferson did not fear deception by special interests, writing to Judge John Tyler in 1804 that the people “may safely be trusted to hear everything true and false, and to form a correct judgment between them.”

    James Madison, however, did express some general skepticism of the corporations of his day, though what constituted a “corporation” in Madison’s day rarely involved the for-profit business enterprises we think of today. Among those entities classified as a “corporation” in Madison’s day were city and town governments, central banks, churches, and a few businesses that operated legal monopolies through special permission of the state legislature. Most for-profit businesses were unincorporated.

    Before and during much of the founding era, most for-profit institutions called “corporations” were privileged institutions, usually institutions that were granted special monopolies, as in the case of the British East India Company, Alexander Hamilton’s national bank (80 percent private, 20 percent government-owned), or New York’s canal and ferry companies that were given monopolies within the state. When states began expanding corporation law in the 1790s and early 1800s, advantages of incorporating became far more limited, eventually amounting only to limited liability of shareholders’ personal assets. Today, state and federal governments require some type of incorporation mode for any political association of citizens, usually through the tax code, something that founding era governments never required (because they didn’t have personal or corporate income taxes).
     
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    Our founders would roll over in their graves at the power, protection and representation we have ceded to corporations.
     
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    Can't we keep the Kennedys and Roosevelts out of this ?
     
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    I wasn’t aware they were running?
     
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    Their legacies are always running.
     

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